EXPOSED LOOPHOLE: RFK Jr. to Qualify for CNN Debate?

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Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow. This is Logan Sekulow. Later on, I'll be joined by Mike Pompeo. We've got Will Haynes as well, executive producer here in studio and lawyer, ACLJ attorney. Ben Sisney will be joining us later in the broadcast to talk about some ACLJ work. But what we wanted to start off with was the update that after the big debate news yesterday, where you would see a head-to-head, Trump v. Biden, one-on-one, there could not be another third party.

Now, all of a sudden, due to some major changes, and Will and I actually have a very interesting story to share about that. RFK Jr., Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is claiming, at least, he has not only a path to qualify, but has or will qualify by that day. That's right. So, as we told you yesterday, the Biden campaign, when they sent that letter to the Commission on Presidential Debates, they made it very clear that they said it should only be candidates that statistically have a viable path to the presidency. So, a lot of what they were leaning on is, one, the poll numbers, but also that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. didn't have ballot access in enough states to really qualify to reach a number of 270 Electoral College votes to win. So, after that announcement, it was kind of like, okay, well, they're keeping him out of the debate. We get that, and they use very clever terms about statistically viable things of that. Well, the Kennedy campaign then came back and said, look, we think that we could qualify for the CNN debate, because CNN has a 15% threshold in four national polls. I think they could get there. Polls are also easily manipulated for those purposes, so they could probably get there. But also, they announced last night that his running mate, Nicole Shanahan, was putting $8 million more into the campaign to fund additional ballot access, which they will get over that 270 threshold hump of potential Electoral College votes, which would then, in that case, theoretically make them a statistically viable candidate, and they would then be putting the ball in CNN's court and say, hey, keep us out. We're following your rules.

We're here. Put us on stage, even though CNN and Team Biden say, no, no, no, no, we don't want that. Yeah, Will, I have a lot to say about this, because last night, I'm going to be upfront and clear, we were invited press. We do not endorse a candidate.

We did not make a political donation. We were invited press to a Robert F. Kennedy event last night here in Nashville, Tennessee. It was interesting, to say the least. We sat there as stoically as we could, laughing at some of the comedians. It was a night of comedy. But man, we got some stuff to share from this event.

It was a little eye opening to what an RFK run really looks like. And look, I'm someone who was going in as press, as media. You try to go in and say, OK, read the room. Read the room.

How are things progressing? We're going to discuss that in the next segment, what that was like to be in this packed auditorium and the historic Ryman Auditorium, my favorite venue in the world and what it was like at this particular political event. And it was unlike anything I've ever seen before. And I said in an ex post and Will and I went to an event once where Mitt Romney had to speak around a bunch of caged dogs. We went to an event where that was the setting.

So we've seen some weird political events, but this one may have taken the cake. I will get that to you in the next segment. I'm going to encourage you real quick. Tomorrow's show, it's a bit of a Q&A episode. We're going to do some really special segments we've never done before where you ask the questions that we answer and you ask those questions through YouTube or through Rumble or through Facebook. If you're watching any of those, all you have to do is start your comment with Friday. Put that Friday in big caps and we are going to pull as many of those comments and questions as we can. And tomorrow's show, we're going to answer those questions. It's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm looking forward to it.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. We are discussing that loophole that may have come up that would qualify RFK to join the debates. Now, Will and I last night had the opportunity as members of the press to attend an RFK Night of Comedy at the historic Ryman Auditorium. This featured some of the biggest names in comedy. I mean, you can like them or not like them.

It's just the truth. Headliners were Russell Brand. OK, that who headlined the night. You had Jim Brewer, whose friend was on Jingle Smells. You may remember him back from then from SNL. You had Rob Schneider. You had Steve Byrne. Incredible night of comedians.

You also had some great music acts. Now, here's the part where I was going to tell you that it was one of the strangest experiences I've had in a political event. It was a night of comedy, but it's still at the end of the day was a political event to try to sway.

You would assume sway voters to sway people to vote for Kennedy. Now, we're Russell Brand. Obviously, our friend Jim was great. Steve Byrne was great. Rob Schneider was good. Were they funny? Sure, they were funny.

And some people like like Jim are fairly clean or clean. I've been to a lot of comedy shows in my life. This was the dirtiest comedy show I've ever been to. And it was a political fundraising event. That put a weird taste in my mouth, especially because you looked around and yes, majority were adults. But I think a lot of people brought kids thought that this was a political event.

There's nowhere where it said this is going to be an 18 and up, 21 and up style show. And every word was used. A lot of slurs were used. There was a lot of things thrown around.

And look, I'm no prude and I'm no prude to comedy. But from someone who analyzes politics, it's a weird decision to have these top level comedians. And some of them not.

Some of the some of the ones I'd say that actually were the bluest of them, if you will, were the ones who you did not know who were standing in front of giant Kennedy, Shanahan letters. Right. And also, so much to that point, even later in the night when you had Russell Brand doing his is very eloquent. If you watch him on Rumble, you know that he's very good with words. He's witty.

He's clever. But he made a joke that was fairly off color, pretty dirty. And then he heard someone's baby in the audience and he said, no one told me there would be babies here. I wouldn't have just said what I said. And meanwhile, this felt like a PR nightmare for a campaign manager of having this event that the entire all of the optics press were invited.

And it was the least polished show you'd want your Presidential name attached to. Yes. And here's the crazy part. OK, this is when it went a little off the rails and I can actually sympathize a little with RFK. He goes up. So he's very late. They tell us very early and before the show starts, they say, hey, he has had a family medical emergency.

His nephew, who has a lot of special needs, a lot of issues, had a medical emergency in Florida. He is down there. He is going to make it, but it's going to be a late night. So, you know, we got there at six. Kennedy doesn't hit the stage till well after 10, close to 11.

He goes up. He makes his speech and you'd think you'd get like a political speech. And what we got was a few minutes telling you why he was late, which was understood. Everyone said a prayer, by the way, for this kid at the beginning. It was pretty emotionally moving moment.

The beginning was pretty cool. And then he thanked the comedians. And then did he go to policy? Did he start talking about why you should be voting for him? No, he decided to tell a dirty joke that he said his wife would not allow him to say, but she wasn't here. So he was going to say it and it ended with pretty explicit language. So and then said, thank you.

Good night. It was so strange. It was the strangest thing I've ever seen in terms of politics. Again, no disrespect to the comedians that were involved. I think the comedians, a lot of them had great acts, very funny stuff. There were some jokes we've been already repeating because they were some really funny stuff. So I'm not throwing shade.

I'm not even throwing shade to people who are supportive of RFK. But as someone who went in trying to be open minded, it did not sway me. What it also did was illuminate something that maybe in the red states we need to be aware of, which was when a joke was against President Biden, which was the majority, as you'd expect. The laughs were gigantic.

When the jokes were aimed at President Trump, they were very mild. They were I'd say maybe it was 10 percent of the audience laughing, 20 percent of the audience laughing, which also said to me, these people that all came to this event, most of them were potential Trump voters, not the other way around. They were Trump voters who are interested in what Kennedy had to say. Instead, they got a very different night. Now, I think Will and I probably walked away with very different points of view than most of the people there. I think people had a great time. They got to see A-list comedians. But here's the one part where I sympathize with him.

A good portion of the video content they showed and even Russell Brandt read off kind of quotes and headlines from different major news, the legacy media, as they say, about how crazy he is and how about how horrible of a campaign it is and all of these things and all the lies that they've spread about his campaign. And I'm like, that's pretty normal. That's that's what you do. So I get home last night. I'm like, well, it's 1230 at night.

My kids and my family are asleep, but I'm still wired from this bizarre evening. I want to see what's on social media. And I go to X and I just start searching for people that were talking about it.

I wanted to see their reaction. And I came across a X post from a writer and a writer from the Nashville scene, which here is like a it's an all free newspaper, pop culture, local events. You know, you get it in like they normally have a political section and they're usually very liberal. OK, that's just I don't think there's anything wrong with saying that I pull up some of these posts and I can tell that RFK is right. They do lie about him and they lie about him with no with with all mouths, no, no even caveat. I'll read you some of the things he said.

Again, they're not even that egregious. You could have gone after a lot of the content that was said at this event. But instead, what they put on there was Presidential candidate RFK Jr. is a no show two hours into his rally in Nashville and then put that the press was notified he was going to no show and that the crowds notified his no show. Did that happen?

No. What happened was before the event went on, they went on and said his special needs nephew had a medical emergency. He is going to make it, but it's going to be very late. Let's all pray for him. But the media spun it as he doesn't care about you.

He's a no show. He's crazy. Followed up with it's true. Look, they were giving people time. You could tell they were stretching, waiting for him.

But we were all a little forgiving knowing the situation at hand. The venue, the Ryman Auditorium, this is from the same author, Eli from the Nashville scene or one of the writers from the national scene. He put the Ryman Auditorium has been on an intermission for almost a half an hour.

Word is RFK Jr. is in Florida and Russell Brand never made the trip. I timed the intermission because they said it's going to be a 10 minute intermission. I texted my wife because I said it's going to be a late night. We just took an intermission. Twelve minutes later, Rob Schneider was on stage doing Burn in Love by Elvis. Twelve minutes later.

That means, yes, it was a 10 minute intermission. Why lie about that? Who knows?

Just to try to create chaos that isn't there. And then who takes the stage an hour later? I don't know the person they said who never made the trip, Russell Brand. Russell Brand shows up live and in person.

Look, we were all wondering, is Russell Brand going to come in from London for this or from England? And he did. And he showed up and he did this event. Later on, did they fix that? No. The only thing they did was this morning tweeted out RFK showed up around 11. The intermission was not as long as the 30 minutes.

My mistake. So here's the deal. You could actually go to that political event. You could have sat there the seven hours we did, have real analysis on do I think this was the right move for someone at RFK's stature right now to try to win over voters?

And I just gave you a reason why I think there were some mistakes that night. There was some fun stuff. I was like, we're always honored to be invited as media. It's nice, but we're not going to lie to you. But instead of doing that, they decided to create a fake narrative to just discredit the guy when all they were were honest.

Up front, he is going to be late because here's why. It was absurd. It was absurd, but it's not surprising, unfortunately, because that's how low the journalistic bar in this country has come. I have a masters in journalism. I love the art of journalism. I love the craft of journalism.

I love truth. And unfortunately in this country, we don't have that. We don't have a media that we can trust. You can't trust journalists to not just shove a narrative in your face. And that narrative they chose was that this is chaos and lies. They didn't choose any of the litany of things that I could say, here's why maybe you shouldn't be supporting this candidacy. Bad PR, crazy optics.

Never talked policy. It's like, I don't think this may, maybe this is a setup campaign, but instead they went with lies instead of just reporting what they saw. And that's where it does strike a chord with people that support someone like RFK Jr. And many conservatives that have been dealing with this for decades, lies from the media about what they believe and who they are. And so they help him in a way because instead of reporting on a chaotic event, they lie about it.

And then people like us can tell you they're lying to you. And we have to expose that. We have to be part of that breaking of that legacy media. And the ACLJ is part of that. Sure, we have our legal cases in court. Sure, we're out there supporting what's going on in Israel and all that goes with that from the smallest to the biggest lawsuits.

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Welcome back to secular. We are now joined by Secretary Mike Pompeo, senior analysis here. And really, before I want to do that, I want to give you guys the what I want to tell you what we're doing tomorrow, which is we're gonna be taking a lot of questions from you. And the way we're going to get those questions is right now, if you're on YouTube or rumble, start your comment with Friday. You know, in big caps, if you can. Friday. Do that right now.

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It's gonna be a lot of fun. We are joined now by Mike Pompeo. Look, there seems to be a lot of confusion now in the Biden campaign as they seem to be flip flopping on Israel. Once again, we obviously have seen what has been occurring, the weapons being withheld, that a speech saying I support Israel and then everything that's kind of unfolded since. But now there are reports that they intend to send a billion dollars, the U.S., a billion dollars in arms to Israel.

So are they just reading the room? What are your initial thoughts on this? Well, first of all, I hope everyone will write in and ask you questions tomorrow.

I will I will get on all cap letters Friday so you can have questions for me, too. Look, the Biden administration wants it always. They don't want any accountability, any responsibility. So they are at the same time telling the pro Hamas left wing of their party, hey, we're putting restraints on Israel. And then they're telling the vast majority of the American people who understand that Israel needs the assistance to wipe out Hamas, who killed a thousand of them and and who continue to hold Americans hostage. Gosh, we're going to send a billion dollars in arms sales. The truth is this billion dollars. That's that's a joke. When President Biden says this, this is going to be delivered over a couple of years.

It will not be timely. The Biden administration has held up weapons that were ready to be delivered. And so this is this is essentially a three card money for Israeli arms.

And that's unfortunate. The United States should be full throatedly helping Israel defeat Hamas, put pressure on Iran and keep Americans safe and get our young men and women home as well. Mr. Secretary, if you're Israel, what's the message you're getting from President Biden over these last few months? Whether it be the forcing on hostage negotiations, whether it be don't go into Rafah, the bait and switch with these arms, as we've just discussed. How do you think the Israeli government and military leadership are feeling about the connection with the United States government at this point? We don't have to guess. We know exactly. I've been there.

I've heard from others. They no longer have confidence that when it really matters, when you hit the point of a maximum need that the United States may or may not be there, depending on what happens in Dearborn, Michigan. And that's that's a little bit cynical, but not too much, because that's the reality of what the Israeli leadership is facing today. And so the message to them is not only we're not going to provide the operational and tactical support that you need, but we're not going to provide the moral support and political clarity that the world needs to see from the United States of America. When your secretary of state, Secretary Blinken, says, gosh, if they go into Gaza, it'll be hard to tell the difference between them and Hamas. The Israelis and Hamas, that is off the rails. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of who the good actors here and who the evil actors are here. And it it's also a message to the rest of the world. Be careful about partnering with the United States when it's led by President Biden, because no matter what they tell you in the good times at the fancy meetings and in the Georgetown salons, no matter what they tell you there, when you really need them, when the commitment that America has made is right in front of us. We may not be able to turn to the Biden administration to get what it is we need. And that is bad for our friends and allies and encourages our adversaries and those who want to undo the United States of America.

Secretary Pompeo, I mean, I agree with you. And it seems like we're creating new vocabulary, if you will. And you have a word now like Rafa, which I feel like is a word probably most people were not even utilizing. They've even heard of where that is. They don't know what it is. It's like the word Zionist. They you know, they change the meaning of it.

All of a sudden it becomes a dirty word. The Biden administration seemed to say that a lot. They publicly oppose what's going on in Rafa and the Rafa invasion, if you will. But now quietly sending more munitions and doing what needs to be done. Is this just another instance of, you know, coming up with sort of a boogeyman by using a word like Rafa and then quietly going, but we know what we have to do?

Like you've said before, there are a lot of Democrats involved that know who is right and who is wrong in this, even if they can't physically say it. Yeah, that may well be true in good measure. You're right about Rafa as sort of the boogeyman. I think that's true. By the way, we know what's going on in Rafa today.

In Rafa today, Senwar and his team of Hamas are planning another October 7th, working to find the political space to go do that. And so, yes, there's a bunch of Democrats that are saying, just get me out of my domestic political fix, but let's try to do the right thing. I hope President Biden gets to that same place, at least that he does the right thing on the ground. But it's also important that we speak about this with clarity.

And that's what that's what's missing today. You have a Biden administration that would just assume this all go away. They don't have to think or work on it. They'd rather tell the Israelis, no, be restrained because they are hoping to make their way through the next months in preparation for a big election in November. And they can satisfy all the parts of the party so they can get a victory instead of just simply doing the right thing. You brought up the election in November, and obviously we talk about all these foreign policy issues as they reflect on the way they're politically playing out here at home. And we saw this move by President Biden to challenge President Trump to a debate out of the blue after he's had rough weeks politically, whether it be decisions that are criticized that are not hard enough or they're too soft or you see the chaos on campuses. Do you think that the Biden administration and the campaign is feeling the fire of negative polls and disarray at home and need some sort of a hail Mary here at this point? Undoubtedly, it's I call it a hail Joe. Hope and like that they can trip the President, former President Trump up or have a great moment in a debate.

I think that's undoubtedly the reason they've now said, yes, we'll go do this. We know that President Biden will struggle. We've seen him in speeches.

He's not likely to be particularly successful. And most importantly, he doesn't have a narrative that can explain to the American people why it is they feel like their life is not as good as it was just three or four years ago. And that is that is not storytelling. That is not made up stuff.

That's the reality of the life people are facing. And I'm confident that President Trump will lay out not only that case of what's happened to these past few years, but the things that he intends to do is he moves this country forward to get the nation back on the right track. And when he does that, the hail Joe will have failed and America will be in a better place. Thank you so much for joining us again. Secretary Pompeo, we always appreciate it again.

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1-800-684-3110. Will and I talked about a situation where RFK Jr. may qualify for the debate stage. We also talked about our review of his event last night.

I wanted to clarify for those that are watching. Again, we were invited press. We would not give a political donation.

We did not endorse any candidate. We sat there with the press and did our job. So we're here to report that to you. But some of the comments like, why would you be talking about it when you get invited to this and you do this kind of broadcast? We need to make sure we're there.

That's just the truth. Let's go to Bill is calling in Wyoming on line one. Bill, you're on the air. Hey, Logan, thanks for taking my call.

I'm still after about your review of last night. And I just started thinking if this happens, what would have been interesting with just Trump and Biden would be would be interesting. But with RFK, I think that would be really entertaining.

And it forms a question. Do you think this will bounce on by President Biden, kind of like what Ross Perot did with him trying to be elected? That definitely seems to be the conversation that is happening and it's even happening at that RFK event is would he be the throw out jokes about spoilers? Will he be the spoiler candidate that comes in and cause confusion amongst voters to vote for?

Again, I think it's going to depend. He said he's drawing from 50 50 in the New York. The New York Times poll said that when he was included in their polling, that it was about 10 percent polling, 5 percent really took away from Biden and Trump. I feel like obviously we're in Tennessee. So there probably skewed a little bit more towards a person. You would think if you weren't here supporting him, you may be a Trump voter. We're in a different state.

Right. But that also being said, it did feel like it was a very interesting crowd because it felt like there was a lot of guys that just got done playing golf. And also you're more like hippie looking, more California, Nashville, rebellious hipster or even like NPR listener. Like it felt like you had the environmentalist, which is his background there as well, but also the more independent minded young professional. And so it was an interesting crowd in that manner, but they definitely targeted most of their ilk from the stage and the biggest applauds and laughters were the jokes against Biden or Democrats were leaving the Democratic Party or the Democrat Party left them. Now, I do think that a lot of people are there considering voting for me.

Even some of these comedians that I followed. These are guys and some of them that I know, these are guys that probably would have voted for a President Trump, but they don't necessarily feel fully comfortable with it, maybe because of some of the decisions in the last few years of his presidency. They think this is their third party option. Now, everyone knows in that room, the pathway to success for RFK Jr. is low, if not next to impossible to actually secure the White House. So there's that whole weird mix where you're in a room packed with a few thousand people that all know almost like what they're not saying out loud, which is they're voting for someone to not vote for another person, whether that be Trump or Biden.

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I just got this letter Will just presented me here. I have it right here about what we are currently doing in the situation involving Columbia University and obviously these protests and the lack of security for Jewish students on campus. Absolutely.

Thank you, Logan. I just want to point out you were spot on while ago when you said that we're busy. This is an incredibly busy time.

The attacks are constant. It's classrooms. It's courtrooms. It's all across the country, state and federal, and we're engaging everything. Every case is important.

There's no cases too small. There's some big ones going on right now and we're going to hit some of those with what's going on at Columbia University in New York. So last night we filed an administrative complaint with the U.S. Department of Education, sent a copy to their New York office as well. I want to prevent them saying, oh, we didn't get it. The other one got it.

So they both got it. And I'm expecting a response from them relatively promptly. I mean, the statute says they shall respond promptly.

So we'll see what promptly means. But this is a procedure we can use because we're equipped and we qualify to file this kind of a complaint. We don't represent a student up there, at least not yet.

I would love to, by the way. But this is a complaint process we can utilize even without a client to speak up on behalf of the groups of students. I'll tell you, I've talked to some students and their parents who've been impacted by these, they're not protests, they're riots, really. And many of them are just terrified to come forward to be a plaintiff. And I understand that.

I mean, that's a tough decision. And so, but working under these scenarios with this kind of threats and fear that these sort of riots and the complicit university employees and professors create for these Jewish students is creating an unsafe environment. And there's Title VI of the Federal Discrimination Code deals with that.

And it prohibits universities, in this case, who receive federal money, that's an important hook, from allowing basically an environment that makes a student feel unsafe because of several qualifications. In this case, the relevant one is race or ethnicity. And they have obligations. And in our view, they're not meeting them. So we took action. Ben, you know, as we've talked about these encampments, as they call them, pro-hamas rallies, as others call them, on campus, and we've talked about it, one of the major themes we've seen from the viewers of the show is, what can we do about it? And I think it's important to highlight for the audience, this is what ACLJ attorneys do every day, is they find a way that we can get involved and affect change. And it sometimes takes a minute to really get creative, use the resources we have, use the law, and find a way for us to engage to affect that change. As you mentioned, for many people, filing a lawsuit against a university may not be their first choice because they're already afraid for their safety. And then if they're a plaintiff in a federal court case, then that just highlights the individual even more so than they already felt targeted maybe on their campus. But our attorneys were able to use the law, use our expertise in these areas, and to find a novel way for us to address the issue and hopefully represent, one, the members of the ACLJ, but also represent the students on campus, even if not directly, by filing such a complaint as this.

Yeah, that's right. And we find, and you all know full well, that we are constantly looking for avenues, even when the mainstream or sort of the establishment or conventional wisdom courses of action don't fit for a particular reason. We find, and I love this about our team, we find that if you just dig in and if you just look, if you put the time and the effort in, which we get to do thanks to our supporters, but if you're willing to look deeper, they're oftentimes, way more often than not, there's something you can do. And that something, even if it seems small at first, often snowballs and leads to something bigger, something more impactful. Filing this complaint, for example, may lead to one of our listeners or a friend or relative of one of our listeners giving us a call.

That would be fantastic. But you've got to be able to take the action but be willing to look beneath the surface, and that's what we did here. I want to move on from that. Look, I think a lot of people react that way. By the way, if you are one of those family members or you are that person who feels like they're being targeted, all you have to do is go to ACLJ.org slash help.

Fill out a very simple form at ACLJ.org slash help and you get connected with a lawyer at no cost. We do that. We can do it and offer it for you and for anyone else at no cost because of our incredible supporters and champions. People that give one time donations, which are the majority, by the way, and are greatly appreciated. And then the 20 plus thousand people that give on a monthly recurring basis. And I would love to see that number continue to grow because as that number grows, we can bring in more attorneys. We can create more media content around these topics that really need it. And they need people need to hear this stuff and they don't hear it without you and without your support.

So again, I want to do that. Now, Ben, a topic that I know, especially for our rumble viewers, I'll say that it gets a lot of attention. We haven't talked about a little while because we now have an update, though, in the whistleblower situation and how we're also taking action there. Maybe give a little setup to what we're talking about and then lead into what we're doing. OK, absolutely. So, as you know, we represent two whistleblowers currently and they're both in different procedural postures.

I'm going to stay out of the weeds on it. But one is on appeal in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit here in Washington. And briefing is underway and we're expecting to have oral argument sometime in the next few months. Very important case challenging an old rule that's preventing whistleblowers, the FBI, from getting any kind of judicial review, any kind of somebody making sure that their due process rights were honored. It's kind of a similar situation with our other client, Marcus Allen. The one in court is Garrett O'Boyle, both of whom have made headlines over the last year and rightfully so. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

And so that's the setup. Just recently, the Department of Justice OIG, Office of Inspector General, just issued a memo report with some recommendations and some observations. And while it is softer than it needs to be and there is plenty more to be done, it is a very important step for us in highlighting and it confirms from the OIG, the DOJ's own Office of Inspector General, that the Department of Justice components, including the FBI, have not been following the law. They've been violating the statute.

One of the excuses, if you look in a footnote, is because, well, we stopped doing that during COVID. I'm sorry. You're the FBI. You know, you don't have that ability. Right, absolutely.

And I mean, it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. But they're not giving, separate from the court or the judicial route for review, they've been denying these whistleblowers the opportunity for internal review, basically really blocking them from even filing an internal complaint with the DOJ OIG, the Inspector General. And the Inspector General's office says that's violating the statute. I said I'm not going to go into weeds, but I mean, this is complex stuff. There's a lot of rules and statutes and Presidential directives and orders that apply here and it's all interconnected. And we're working through it and we've got a lot more work to do. But this is a big, big step.

Absolutely. And look, get in the weeds. It's OK. There's people who watch and listen to this show. I know who you are.

You're the people that like to get in the weeds a bit. So it's OK. We have people like Ben on. We had Kristi on earlier this week.

We've obviously had Harry Hutchinson, the C.C. Howard, incredible ACLJ team, my brother, the entire ACLJ team that comes on here and gives you great legal analysis. And then me and Will, but me, because Will's got a master's in journalism online, I can come on and ask those questions for you. But tomorrow show Friday, we are going to be taking a lot of your questions. I'm once again going to ask you if you have a question. You just heard about all that whistleblower situation. You heard about what happened earlier on. We talked about the RFK situation and the debates.

Maybe you have a political question. Maybe you have one about our ACLJ work for the Jewish students or maybe our ACLJ work in general. I want to hear from you. So all you have to do in the comments is start the comment with Friday in big all caps. And then tomorrow show, I'm going to take as many of those comments as we can. So make sure you join us tomorrow. It's going to be a lot of fun to go through your comments and discuss what's going on currently. Right now at the ACLJ, we are in a lot of legal fights. You just heard from Ben Sisney again in Washington, D.C. We have teams in Europe. My brother is going to be there coming up.

He's traveling into Europe. That all is happening as we speak. So while you may hear this one hour of broadcast, you've got to understand the complexity that is happening outside of these walls right here.

Though I love this show and I think this show, this is why I'm here for you. There is so much work happening at the ACLJ and we could use your support. So go to ACLJ.org slash champions. Become a monthly supporter. Do it right now.

That is at any level. Five dollars. Five hundred dollars.

Five thousand dollars. I don't care what it is. All I care is that you get engaged. Be a champion of life, liberty and freedom. Be a part of the ACLJ today. We are going to take phone calls. And guess what? I'll be honest with you. I need some right now. I need you. You've been too busy doing these Friday comments that I haven't been able to get some phone calls. So give me a call.

1-800-684-3110. Let's talk RFK. Let's talk the debates. Let's talk about the situations we've been doing with the Jewish students in ACLJ.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. I want to take your phone calls, but right now I don't got any. So give me a call.

1-800-684-3110. You got no questions. I see a ton of questions coming in for Friday, which I'm excited about.

That's going to be a fun show. We've never done this. It's a little bit of your fault, Logan. You put a lot of emphasis on the Friday questions and people, they enjoy that. They clearly are enjoying that, but they decided not to call you today. It's a lot less stressful to put a comment in, I understand that, than to go on a broadcast and have your voice heard by millions of people.

No pressure. But I do like to hear from you. I like to hear the tone in your voice. How you're feeling. What you feel about all of these movements that are happening. Again, we discussed at the beginning of this show.

We've talked so many topics today. The media lying. Will and I, I've noticed media lying obviously for years. I've been talking about the reform we need to have in the media.

And then we need to be really looking at options outside of legacy media. That's why we're on Rumble. It's even why we're on YouTube.

Because you know what? There's no one right now. They may strike us. They may take you down later. There's no one right now from me to you.

There is no one above or below. It is just us without any gatekeepers getting you the content that we think is important and we don't lie to you. You know, that's one of the things that I love about this broadcast. I'll tell you the truth. We told you we got media invites to that RFK event. Do we pull any punches? No, we told you the good and the bad.

The difference is, is the media will lie to you. The media said here locally that he no-showed and the Russell Brand didn't get on a plane. Russell Brand was there. He showed up late. Why did he show up late? Because at the beginning of the night, the PR people came out and said, the host came out and said, we need to say a prayer for his nephew who is currently in a very, very serious medical situation.

Let's all take a moment and say a prayer for him. And the media decided that that moment. A moment of genuine sincerity would be used against them to say he's late. He no-showed. Did I want to be there at eleven o'clock at night waiting for him to come up? And was I thrilled with the content of what he said? No.

Did I stick it out, though? Yeah, because they were honest up front. But the media decides to lie. His whole event showcased how the media has lied about his campaign.

And then I saw it first hand. That is why we have this show. To expose the truth.

Because there is no one. There is no one, no other corporate head above us saying you have to say or not say this or to pull some narrative from one side of the aisle. We can be honest with you. I saw it firsthand. Do we love all the content that came out of that event last night? No, we gave you our analysis on it.

Do I think there are people who are very unfair to him, very unfair to the situation and treated it like the media liars that they are? Yeah, we saw it firsthand. We called it out. Let's go ahead. Phone lines have lit up. Thank you.

Took you long enough. Now I'm kidding. Let's go ahead and take some phone calls. Let's go to Inga in New Jersey. You're on the air.

Yes, hi. My question is with the debate, is there any way to make sure and prove Biden doesn't have an earpiece? He doesn't want an audience and he wants the mic muted to make sure he hears. Is there any way we can get that in writing he won't be wearing an earpiece for someone to whisper to tell him what to say?

They do negotiate out what a lot of the terms are. I don't know if there's a pat-down situation, like if you're in a UFC fight where they're checking your shorts, but maybe there should be. Maybe there should be something like that. Now a lot of the times, especially with the audience, they're wearing protective gear, bulletproof vests.

Those are very normal. So you have to kind of work around a lot of these situations because from a security situation, it feels scary. Look, I felt that way at the RFK event yesterday. Sure, there was security and they were very known, but you don't sit there and not feel a little vulnerable.

So there's those moments. But when it comes to an earpiece, I think the more likelihood of something like that is that the questions get to the administration or to the campaign, excuse me, before the night. Well, we knew this happened with the network at hand, CNN, back with Hillary Clinton, where Donna Brazile happened to get the copy of the questions and feed it to her friend Hillary Clinton.

So yes, that's also a very real possibility of things that have happened before, especially when you're dealing with media organizations, as we've been hounding on all day long, that aren't so truthful or maybe have an agenda. And there was a question on Rumble that asked why CNN, referring to the host of the debate. That was something that the Biden administration proposed of who could host it. They said it would need to be a news organization that had a debate both for the Republican primary in 2016 and had a debate for the Democrat primary in 2020. So therefore there would be able to say, look, both parties have participated in a debate hosted by this, therefore you should be okay with it. CNN happened to fit that criteria.

And we're very quick on the draw to offer a debate. They already had that ready. And they did announce their moderators, I believe. Can we pull that up? I believe it's Jake Tapper and Dana Bash.

I would have guessed it would have been those two, mainly because Jake Tapper is really the only star left. That may just be what they've said, like the rumors, but I believe it was announced. But you can find out. Don't quote me on that.

Let's go ahead and take some more calls. You are correct. Daily Beast, so the highest source in news, says that they revealed their... Don't say that name here.

I don't even want to hear it. Their debate moderators are Dana Bash and Jake Tapper. Obviously Jake Tapper, their lead anchor.

That makes sense. But Trump called the bluff. They said CNN, ABC, and he said fine. Game on. Let's go to continue on the calls.

Donna in Colorado, you're on the air very quickly. Hey, I just want to find out, thanks for taking my call, with this ridiculous gag order on Trump. Is this going to affect his debate? I mean, it's the law.

They very well could, but are there loopholes here? They think it may be over. Well, part of the thing is that they said the trial should be over in New York by the time the debate happens at the end of June. And as we know, the prosecution is expected to rest their case today, actually. So then typically the defense side, when they call witnesses, it's not as long. So you can expect that that trial will be wrapped up probably in the next few weeks, depending on how long the defense and then the jury take on it. And we've got about a month until the debate. Right.

So in theory, that gag order would no longer be in effect because that is just governing during the trial. Okay. Continuing on. Let's keep going.

Ann in Kentucky, line four. You're up. Hi there. I would just like to know when our President is reinstated again, will he be able to correct the situation with the FBI whistleblowers? In theory, yes. Right. And the attorney general would have whoever is put in place is the next attorney general. You've got to have people with guts.

Right. They need to get in there and clean house. We know that it's been a cesspool at the FBI.

But hopefully it's something that could be remedied and maybe even fix the broken process a little bit as well with the next attorney general and hopefully a new FBI director as well. So pick the right people. If you get put in that position, President Trump, pick the right people.

Do the job people want you to do. Tiana's calling in California. Last call of the day. Go ahead. I have to say, I just love you guys. Thank you. I I've been listening to you guys for almost 20 years now, since the early 20s, when I was when you guys were fighting for Terry Schiavo.

Sure. I you guys do amazing work, how you fight for even the smaller matters. You're fighting for our religious freedom, unborn babies. I mean, I'm keeping us well informed, fighting for Israel. I just appreciate all the truth that you guys give and all the blessings that you guys do. And I just love you guys. That really warms our heart. I mean that from a genuine place to hear from people like you have been with us for so long.

We've been in this fight for a very long time. This organization has withstood for so many decades and will continue on to the future because of people like you, Tiana, who call in even from states like California. You may hear that and go, I can't believe we have some of our strongest base is in Southern California because they know what's going on and they see what's happening.

So, again, I don't know where Tiana is in California specifically, but know there are people all around the country and all around the world, including in our European offices. I said that my brother will be traveling to very shortly. All of it is happening with your support.

Go to ACLJ.org to support the work right now. I did encourage you last second. We're going to take all those comments tomorrow. This is the last chance. Put Friday at the beginning of your comment right now and ask me a question and I'm going to answer those. Will and I are going to answer them on tomorrow's show. Really special one.

We're going to have a lot of fun. Do that right now.