On Duck Dynasty and Building a Stronger Family: Willie and Korie Robertson

I think a lot of times you look at the story and you focus on Phil's repentance, because Phil's change was significant, but also Kay's forgiveness was so significant, and both of those things actually had to happen for this family to stick together. Like it, you know, had Phil not repented, it's done. Like had Phil not changed his life, the family's over.

And had Kay not chosen forgiveness and take Phil back is what changed everything. Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Shelby Abbott, and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson.

You can find us at familylifetoday.com or on the Family Life app. This is Family Life Today. All right, so my question for you is do you know what a duck call is? Yes, yes. Well, I mean, doesn't everybody know what a duck call is? No, I did not know what a duck call was. Did you never hunt ever?

No, you know that. See, my wife knows more about hunting than I do because she grew up with brothers and a dad. I never had a dad, so I figured you knew what a duck call was.

I do. Well, we're sort of going to talk about duck calls today, but not really. We've got Duck Dynasty stars Willie and Corey Robertson with us. Welcome to Family Life Today. Thanks. Thanks for having us. Thank you.

It's great to be here. Tell us a little bit. I mean, our listeners probably know a little bit about you guys, but give us a little bit of your background. Well, I do know what a duck call is. I can say that. I learned what a duck call was by watching your show.

I mean, I heard about what they were, but I didn't really understand them. I think a lot of people learn about duck calls by watching our show. I believe that's true. My father came up with Duck Commander as the company, and he had one little invention where he double-readed the calls on the hen call. So at the time, there wasn't two together. So that was kind of his invention. He patented it. So I grew up in that business, and Corey and I grew up in the same town, and so they were in business as well.

Technically, you guys sold our duck calls in your retail stores. We also went to the same church, and so that's how we met. And when we talk about the movie, her story and her family was a very important role in our story as well, whenever Mom and Dad came to their face.

So yeah, small world, small town for sure. Well, you mentioned movie. Let's talk about that. This is pretty exciting. Talk about the movie that's coming out.

It is exciting. So we actually started a production company called Tread Lively about two years ago and decided the first one out of the gate would be our family story, which is a little bit intimidating and scary to tell your story first. But yeah, it is Phil and Kay's story, Willie's parents, and it's just an incredible story of love and redemption and God's grace and goodness. And we were able to tell it in a really powerful way through a film. So it's been a journey. Yeah, we got an advance copy, so we got to watch it last night.

So we've seen what everybody's going to see this weekend as it comes out. Talk a little bit about growing up in that family. I mean, Willie, you were how old when your dad started the company? You're just a little boy. Or even when do you remember when your dad came to faith?

Not really. No, pretty much all my memories of Mom and Dad were post that, all the drama and the heartache and stuff. So yeah, Phil says he started the company in 1972, which is actually the year I was born. But I think that's when he had the idea.

I don't know, there wasn't a lot of business going on in 1972. So on the movie, towards the end, whenever he actually comes to faith, I'm about two, which is played by my grandson, John Shepherd. Our son, John Luke's son played me. And so it was kind of wild to see that play out.

So I don't have a lot of, I don't have really any memories of any of the bad or whatever. I could sense it, feel it, and I'd obviously heard about it a lot as I grew up. But yeah, but I was fortunate to be able to kind of really see the good side of their marriage really our whole lives.

And so, so yeah, that's kind of where it kind of picks up in place. And my earliest memories are really the first place we live, actually at the end of the story when they actually moved to West Monroe. And we moved in an apartment that was kind of set up by a church here that the pastor was interested in bringing Phil to the Lord. Those are my first memories of being actually in that apartment. And that was before we moved down to the river, which the river and that house is the same house that was on Duck Dynasty. Mom and Dad still live in the same place they've lived since 1975.

So they've been in the same place so that you can, I went from the apartment to there. You know, I knew your dad's story, but it was gripping. You guys don't hide anything in this movie, which was awesome because you see from darkness to light. Talk about, you know, as you guys sort of talked about thinking about this movie, White is having to go so honest with his life story, which I think is great. Well, Phil has told his story a lot.

He and Kay have always been very honest about their story and it's really impacted people because, you know, a lot of people go through that dark time and they have really been honest with it. But I think it's one thing to like tell it and another thing to see it on a screen. So that has been harder, I think, than expected. It was even harder for us as like producers of this movie. You know, when we first did it, we were like, oh, it's kind of like too dark.

It was true. It was honest, but it kind of felt too dark. And we had to figure out how to tell the story and bring people through without it being like, oh, I really just don't want to see that, you know, because it was. It was a hard time. It was really difficult. And it's been difficult for Phil to watch, honestly, because he has told it so much. We didn't realize how hard it would be to kind of relive that.

But he's mentioned several times that he's embarrassed about that time of his life. I think just, you know, when you're perhaps to go back and relive it is hard, but he's been 100 percent willing to do it because he feels like if it can help somebody, then all right, here's my story. I mean, I feel like we're living in dark times. I feel like it's so relatable to what people are facing and experiencing not only with their own lives, but their kids lives. And so I really appreciate it being so real and honest. That's I think that's what draws us in of especially when we see what Jesus can do as a result.

As you were thinking about even producing this movie, what was your hope? Well, our hope was that people can find themselves in that story. And if you find yourself in that story, perhaps you can help.

Phil was willing to obviously lay all that out about his own life because he was passionate about people coming to the Lord just like he did. And so if you're in the spot where Phil is, which is that's a tough spot to be in where you're that far away from the Lord, your marriage is pretty much eroded and gone. You're going to lose your children. And I know there's a lot of people that will find themselves in that spot. If you're in that spot, then there is hope. There is redemption. But I think a lot of people find themselves in perhaps mom's spot, you know, where you're in a challenging marriage.

Should you stay with it? Probably most people would say, go, you know, leave and get away from that. But she stayed in there, fought for the marriage. And obviously, we're thankful that that happened. Had that not happened, our whole, my whole life would be completely different. And so you may find yourself in that spot. I think you'll be encouraged if you find yourself in, you know, my dad's sister's spot. And she was really the one at the time who really never gave up on Phil. Even when mom and everybody else was like, this guy's gone. She was still going up there and then ultimately sending a pastor up to that bar to speak to Phil. And so her courage, I think some of us can be encouraged by that and realizing there's people that, you know, we need to go see.

We just need to not give up on. And even the pastor who gets in a car and drives to a bar out of state, walks into this environment. It still amazes me that he did that, you know, took the time. This was not someone, I think people think about us now as successful, but at the time this guy was just a loser. And so for that guy to actually take a whole day of his life and go up there and put that into Phil, you know, it was just amazing and incredible. And even though Phil didn't respond at the time and actually kind of rejected that, he planted that seed that came back later to where Phil didn't, when he really was at the end of his rope.

And what was it? He got past himself, the line in the movie. And then that's when he comes back, you know, to find out more about what that guy was saying. And then God does what he does then and restores and heals us all.

And so it's just incredible that journey. None of this would have happened. I mean, there would have been no business, there would have been no Duck Commander, there would be no Duck Dynasty. I probably wouldn't have been in this town, wouldn't have met Cory. We met at a church camp that was new for us. Now we're going to a church or we're going to a church camp, which is where I met Cory.

We ended up saying church together, children, grandchildren, all of this. You know, I can trace all that back to just a small couple in rural Arkansas that their marriage stuck together. They found their faith and God gets all the glory for all of it. It's legacy. And not only is it a legacy that's been changed and redeemed by Jesus, but now as a result of what you're doing, like, you guys have impacted so, like, thousands and thousands of people through your story, through your lives, through your family, which gives people hope. And now a movie.

I mean, like, think about that. Jesus would have found Phil. But I love the obedience of the pastor just doing what he was supposed to do.

That's pretty cool. One of the things that struck me, and I don't want to be a spoiler alert for people going to the movie this weekend, but one of the things that struck me was when the pastor is talking to your dad in that bar and he turns to your sister and says, he's not ready. Yeah. You know, the guts of him to say, this isn't the time, you know, we tried, we did what we need to do, but he's not ready. And often we just keep pushing and pushing. And he realized he's not there yet.

Right. You know, I mean, is that exactly what happened? That is, because, you know, and now he came into his space. I think it's important, you know, I've been able to share the gospel with a lot of people. Some people come to you.

Yeah. They'll come, they're broken, something's happened, you know, and those are pretty easy because it's like, look, my life's a mess, I need help. But this one is actually where he went to him, where he was at, because Phil wasn't coming into any church building for sure. And so when you go into someone's environment, I think that pastor was wise enough to know this could go either way. And he knew he wasn't ready. He was angry at the time.

He did not want to listen to that and was not even happy that she had brought him to his place and where he was. And so it was so important for him to go. But also, I think the wisdom of that pastor knowing that was not the first time he had shared his faith and had taken the challenge, which was amazing. And then we were able to know him for years.

He taught me actually in seminary. And so we got to hear this a lot, just his perspective. He told me when he first walked in there, a little bit different from the movie, but he said, when he first walked in, he said, Phil was sitting there with a pistol. It was even more intimidating, has a pistol in his belt, a giant Budweiser in front of him.

And he said, he looked at him and said, what you selling preacher? Really? And that was the first words out of Phil's mouth. So it wasn't exactly like that on the movie. Well, it's got lines in the movie, huh? Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, he's got lines in the movie. Yeah, that was real. It's really cool because we showed our kids, of course, the film and then they got to ask us like how much of it was real. And we were like, really?

Yeah. We've heard the story so many times. The family has told the story all these years.

And so there's so much of it that is really just accurate down to lines and everything, which is really cool. Now, is this a story that was talked about in your home, you know, as you were growing up? I remember when our youngest was left and our other two were off to college, we had three sons. Our youngest was, we're sitting at dinner table one night and he turned to Ann and I and he just said, hey, do you guys drink in college? Do you guys party?

You know, his dad now is a pastor. Can you guys have sex? Can we, you know, tell me your story. And we're looking at each other like, okay, how honest are we going to be? Was this something that was pretty honest in your home?

Yeah. I mean, the way Phil would talk about it was more like he would just say, I was a heathen, you know, and I was immoral. So yeah, I mean, he would definitely lay that out. And especially he would correlate it with the scriptures or read a scripture and say, this was me, this was my life.

You know, so yeah, he was very blunt about where he was and who he was and what he did. So you guys are parents of six kids. Is that the way you discuss your lives with your kids? Would you encourage parents to be super honest?

Yes. I would say we're not blunt like Phil, but as far as very real, I think it is so important for your kids to hear the true stories because they can feel like they're alone in this or, you know, no one else experienced or your parents never went through that. But whenever you tell them the truth about your story and your life and, you know, we've always told our kids, we'll tell you the truth.

If you ask us, we're going to tell you. And I remember a time, because Sadie's my questioner, she like wants to know everything. So she's the one who would always ask all the questions. And then one time she was like, I don't think I wanted to know all that.

And I was like, well, I told you, if you ask, we're going to tell you. Cory, tell us, like for both of you, what was your story of coming to Jesus? Do you grew up in a Christian home too, Cory?

I did. I did grow up in a Christian home. So the church that took a single mom with three little boys in was the church that I grew up in. Whenever Willie and his family, you know, whenever Kay got kicked out of the house and left, she came to West Monroe, Louisiana. The church gave her an apartment and actually it was my granddad's business that gave her a job.

My granddad and my dad had a chain of discount stores and Kay came to work for my family. And her granddad was one of the originators of the church. And so they started the church, built the building, actually hired the pastor that ended up coming up there. Was hired by her grandfather and some other leaders.

Yeah, yeah. So how God wove our story together was pretty incredible before we were even born or even knew anything. So I did grow up in the church and was really grateful for that. I went to a Christian school, had parents and grandparents on both sides that just have a real strong legacy of faith.

So I'm really blessed by that. And Willie's story, you know, we always talked about how we could not have been more different in the way we grew up. Like we grew up in the same town, but it was different.

Like I lived in a neighborhood. It was a whole different story. His family was on the river and, you know, a lot of his memories were his family trying to get the business going.

So they were commercial fishing. They were doing everything it took to just, they were living off the land. So we had a very different environment in that regard. But the legacy of faith that we both had because, you know, his memories are his family when they had already made the change to Jesus Christ. And so our families had that in common. And we both had families that were very hospitable, real open homes. And we had church services and youth group and all that kind of thing in both of our homes.

So we're grateful for that. So as you brought those two different backgrounds together in your marriage, was your marriage easy? Was it a struggle? Was there trials? Oh yeah, it's been 31 years.

Is the next movie going to be about you? So our first year, we were 18 and 19 when we got married. And our first year of marriage, we fought like cats and dogs. And there was a moment several, it's been probably 10 years ago, but he still reminds me of it, that I said something to somebody about how that first year of marriage, I was thinking, what was I thinking?

And he was like, what? You were thinking, what were you thinking? And I said, I didn't know we were like, what were we thinking?

Why did we get married? I didn't realize we ever got to that point. Do you remember how much we fought?

Do you remember how much I cried? But it wasn't just that first year. We've had 31 years. We've had amazing, amazing life together.

But hey, 31 years is tough to stay married. And we did. We came up with very different backgrounds. I was one of three. I had a brother and a sister. And we, our family did not fight. We only grew up with four brothers and they fought. So the first year of our life together, our first Christmas, Willie punched my brother. What?

Yes, at Christmas, at a basketball game, on the basketball court. And it wasn't a joke. No, he needed a big brother he never had. So yeah, that was me. So it was just like a different environment. There was a lot more violence in their home then. I think when you watch the movie, when you see Phil and Kayla, especially Phil, and then just imagine, you know, a few months later, you know, that he's a Christian, but still he's rough.

And that's our dad. And so, you know, empathy and kindness and all that. That journey took a while, you know, especially to come through in the family. So yeah. Things like saying you're sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That didn't really happen. Yeah, but it was tough. You know, it was a tough environment. As you raised your kids, like what kinds of things did you have in mind?

What did you hope? I'm thinking of the listeners that are in the midst of raising families and kids. And it's hard. We're living in a culture that feels like it's pressing against our values. What are some of the things that you would encourage parents with? Well, whenever our kids were little, I remember I was at like a Bible study. And they asked that question, like what values do you want to instill in your kids? And I remember in that moment thinking strong and kind. Like strength and kindness are two things that I think are so important.

And I came home and I talked to Billy about it. And that just became our thing. We wanted them to be strong because there's going to be some challenges. So when I think of strength, I think of like a tree with like really deep roots.

And when the wind comes and the storms come, you sway and you might toss and turn, but you're not knocked down because you have these deep roots. And so that was kind of my thought about strength. And then kindness is for others, you know, as how we treat others, how we walk around this earth and how we live. And so those were our two values that we, you know, just decided early on. Now, of course, there's a whole lot of other things to teach your kids, but we kind of were like, okay, if we could just focus on two.

Those were our two. So I actually wrote a book called Strong and Kind. And it's really about that.

It's like there's a lot that goes into parenting and it can be really overwhelming. And so I encourage people to maybe just, you know, choose two values that you feel like are really important and instill those in your kids. And so I think now more than ever, strength and kindness is so important because we are facing tough times. And then as far as kindness, you know, our world, if you look online, a lot of people are not very kind to one another or respectful. That's for sure. Yeah.

So I think those are some good ones. You know, as you think legacy of what Phil, his life transformation has changed your future, and now your kids, his grandkids. I was preaching literally last night at my son. My youngest son has a ministry and I was preaching and I was telling a little bit of my conversion in college.

And I look over and there's Ann sitting there and then there's our son Cody and they're both in tears. And what hit me is I'm just telling my story and I'm like, oh my goodness, they're in tears because that life change totally changed his life as a young boy. That's your story a little bit in terms of what we see in the movie is your whole life.

Everything you're doing right now is radically altered by Jesus Christ. So talk about that a little bit, the legacy that not only your dad started, but now you are continuing. Is that something that brings you like emotion? Oh, yeah, I think that would be probably a daily motivator, one of appreciation for that happening again. I think even this movie was our way of honoring how that happened. Obviously God, the Lord honoring that, but also then sharing that with others, not giving up on other people. And because you never know who that person is and how that's going to change their lives.

And so I think the biggest honor and probably the biggest way to emulate the scriptures is that you keep that going. Then you go take that. It's not just for you.

It's great for us. But then now who are we going to talk to? Who is that next person? And I remember I baptized a guy like a year ago and I said, this is going to be huge for your kids. And he said, Willie, I don't have kids. And I said, well, you probably will one day. This will be huge for them. He was looking at me strangely like, wait a minute, you're talking about my kids?

Probably 20 years old. But I was thinking about that, Lexi, thinking about that there's probably no way that the pastor thought what would come out of this. However, Dad's sister, my Aunt Jan, told that preacher, if you convert him, he'll convert thousands.

How she knew that or how she could even foresee that, because this guy was not godly in any way, but she saw that and I'm sure God spoke that to her and said, this is in this line, in this legacy or genealogy, spiritual genealogy, as this plays out, this is going to be huge. And to think that Doug Dynasty was watched by hundreds of millions of people, not just in America, all over the world. And then at the end of every show, there's a prayer that's actually invited into your living room. And people are watching this, and a lot of people watching this have no idea. They don't pray, they don't do this regularly. And so just that, just that influence there, that was in people's homes because most television programming does not end with a prayer.

Especially one that popular. So yeah, just think about how the gospel has touched all that. And now through our books, through our production company, through, and I say ours, the big family podcast and TV show, other TV shows, movies, all of this.

And again, you can just put it on and trace it back to this thing starting and then letting God just work its way there. And so yeah, that's something I think about constantly. The movie was emotional. I mean, for me to just, you know, I was sad, you know, sad for mom. And I was sad, you know, just because it's just a reminder of stories you've heard. But you know, when you actually see that play out, it's tough, you know, and it's tough to see, but more out of joy. I mean, more just like, wow, look at, you know, look at how this came about. And then also I was thinking this could have went either way. I'm watching going, why did mom stay with this guy? You know, I don't know that I could have or would have, or probably should have maybe.

But yeah, that's tough. I mean, Kori, what would you say to a wife that's maybe experiencing what Kay did with her husband? You know, either one of you women, what would you say to a wife that's like, should I stay? Should I leave?

What do I do? Yeah, I think that that is one thing that I always think about with the story is how powerful Kay's forgiveness was. Like, I think a lot of times you look at the story and you focus on Phil's repentance because Phil's change was significant, but also Kay's forgiveness was so significant. And both of those things actually had to happen for this family to stick together. Like, you know, had Phil not repented, it's done. Like, had Phil not changed his life, the family's over. And had Kay not chosen forgiveness, and you can forgive and, you know, not stick in a marriage, that happens a lot as well, but for her to forgive and take Phil back is what changed everything for their life. There's an episode of Duck Dynasty where Phil and Kay renew their vows, and that actually was the most watched episode of Duck Dynasty and also the most watched unscripted show of all time. And I think it still holds that record.

Yes. And it was so powerful for our family to see them get to renew their vows because they didn't, they never really had a wedding. She got pregnant in high school and you see that in the film as well. And so they never had a wedding, so we had a little wedding ceremony for them. And for kids and grandkids to sit there and watch them get to do that, and we filmed it on television and became the most watched show. And I think it was such a powerful, powerful thing because so many families don't stick together.

They don't make it, they don't. And there's been times whenever, you know, we've gone through difficult times and just that example of saying like, no, stick it out, stick together, make it through it, fight through it, forgive, offer grace when it's needed and necessary. And then you can see this legacy that is passed down.

And now we have grandkids that all live close to us in our part. And I think, you know, had we given up, had we, whenever the time got tough for us, had we not turned back towards one another? And it's because of God's grace that allows us to do that because we've experienced forgiveness ourselves so we can offer that forgiveness. Kay knew that and she did it and she lived it out and were able to, you know, benefit from that. Which is super inspiring.

Like, I think we're all so inspired, but I can't imagine the day-to-day battle that would be for her, you know, of just each day taking a step of obedience and asking Jesus to fill her with everything she needed. That forgiveness part, whew, that is not easy. Tough.

That is tough. Yeah, you know, one of the things I was struck watching the movie is, and we've talked about it, but I think we underestimate as a single person, as a married person, as a parent, that every decision we make, especially in private, is legacy changing. Like, if I'm struggling with drinking a beer alone or looking at porn, and then on the flip side, when I'm choosing to dig into the word or choosing to repent, these private little decisions, I don't think we realize the stakes are so high, because this is not just going to impact me. You know, last night when I was preaching, I'm thinking, I got on my knees in my bedroom when I was, you know, 20 years old, and I'm looking like that decision affected these people sitting right here. I did not have them in my mind at that moment, but that's how a legacy is built, right?

Absolutely, absolutely. I noticed this early on whenever we started even dating of how each of the brothers, you know, all of Phil and Kay's sons were so connected to God and their faith in a way that because they saw it so evidently in their dad's life, they saw the change so powerfully. And Jace, who remembers more, Jace and Al were the oldest, so they remember more about Phil's years when he wasn't a Christian. And Jace tells a story about remembering whenever he was in a boat with Phil and they were going out and there was some guys who had been stealing their fish. And before that, Phil had his gun and he would be, Jace would be scared like that something bad would have happened, because Phil was not a nice person. If someone was stealing his fish, you know, that could have ended really badly. And it was after he became a Christian and instead of being angry with the guys, he was like, hey, what's going on? And he had a conversation with me, invited them back to his house.

He's like, I'll cook this fish for you and let's have a Bible study. And so it was this like huge transformation from like one of like, oh, no, my dad's going to beat these guys up to, oh, my dad's inviting them into our home and offer them grace and saying he'll cook for them. Hey, you guys, let me ask you this, too. I'm thinking about the fame that you entered into, especially as Duck Dynasty started to spread and grow and, you know, you've done so much.

Before we started the interview, Willie, you said that there was a woman who had your face tattooed on herself, which like this famous kind of crazy. And it would be easy to be pulled away and distracted by all the fame. How have you guys practically stayed true to Jesus and stayed the course? Yeah, it just hasn't been easy always, especially when it was the show was out and it was really popular. So, yeah, that was always tough. But I think, you know, that was our foundation that was laid in for decades before. And so a lot of the stuff we're doing now, we're doing the same stuff before, just on a really smaller scale. But, yeah, you know, just trying to remember what that is and continue to grow in our faith and continue to be connected with, you know, other people who can help share that. And so now we've met, because of the show, we've met people all over the world, especially the country, you know, who have been in similar type situations. And so, yeah, our friend group has expanded a lot, you know, around people.

But also kingdom-minded people and, you know, people who really think about the kingdom and how to impact the culture. Because it got a little bigger, because then we realized we were part of culture and part of impacting it for the good. You know, we have a show that's doing that. So then to us that's exciting, you know, is to say how can we, which is why we made the movie, is to continue to try to impact culture.

So it's not just on a local level, which is very important, and it's where most people live, but also thinking about the bigger play here, what God can do even in culture, entertainment, you know, what goes into not just our eyes and ears, but also our children's, and, you know, how does that affect people. What's your dream with the production company? Are there other movies to come? Yes, we're in pre-production on our next films.

We're excited about that. So we're planning on doing more film, television, unscripted, of course, because that's kind of where we came from. We did Dynasty, some more television shows, scripted television shows, and podcasting, Sadie's Podcast, and Phil has a podcast.

We have a podcast called Duck Call Room, and we're expanding that podcasting network as well, because we believe in the power of spoken word. We believe in the power of entertainment. We saw how our show had an impact on culture, and it kind of opened our eyes to like, whoa, you know, entertainment is really shaping us, whether we acknowledge that or not.

And I think now, I think it's even more evident, because there's agendas in the entertainment and what you want to see and what you put out there. And so we just think it's more really important that we have people of faith in every aspect of life, including entertainment, and that, you know, we're lights in the world wherever we are. God's kind of called us into this space, so we're going to keep trying to shine in this space.

That's really so good. Yeah, I think it's great. As I watched the movie last night that, you know, our listeners are going to watch this weekend, I envision people coming to Christ. I mean, it's done so well, the gospel's so clear, life changes, legacy.

I mean, there's all that going on. Obviously, you produced it, you know, but I'm sitting there going, people are going to come to Christ in movie theaters, outside movie theaters, in family rooms as they get home after and talk about the movie. I really saw that. It's like this movie is going to change men and women and legacies. I'm guessing that's your hope as well, right?

That's amazing. Yeah, that's exactly what we're hoping for. And it is so important to support films like this. I think that's one thing people don't realize that, you know, the more you are voting by going to see these movies, that saying like, oh, this is more of the kind of thing that we want to see. Content that is hopeful and that points people to Jesus. And, you know, as we go see that, this type of show, it actually makes an impact on more of this being able to be made. But that's the biggest hope is that, and that's what Phil said from the beginning, if one person comes to Christ because of me telling my story, it's worth it. So in everything, every decision that was made on this film, every decision that was made in edit and whatever, it was for that goal that someone would see it and would say, oh, I want to know more about Jesus and would turn their life to Him because of it. I'm Shelby Abbott. You've been listening to Dave and Ann Wilson with Willie and Corey Robertson on Family Life Today.

You know, long before Phil Robertson was a reality TV star with Duck Dynasty, he fell in love, started a family and began to spiral out of control. And that's all featured in the movie The Blind. It's coming out September 28th and tickets are on sale now. You can find a link in the show notes at familylifetoday.com to find specific times where you can catch this movie in theaters in your area. You know, pursuing purity in dating and engagement is one of those things that people talk about a lot. But do we do it for the right reasons? Well, tomorrow, Dave and Ann Wilson are going to be joined by Sean Perrone and Spencer Harmon to talk about just that, pursuing purity, not for the sake of marital reward, but to honor Christ and glorify God. That's tomorrow. We hope you'll join us. On behalf of Dave and Ann Wilson, I'm Shelby Abbott. We'll see you back next time for another edition of Family Life Today. Family Life Today is a donor-supported production of Family Life, a crew ministry helping you pursue the relationships that matter most.