How God Judges Nations

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. This is my pastor, Rob McCoy. Good to be with you, Charlie. So, Rob, I just thought it'd be fun to kind of introduce kind of TPSA faith, what we're doing here, and kind of the mission of what we're trying to accomplish.

Yeah. So, Charlie, you and I, we had that conversation about two years ago, maybe three now, where we knew that if the churches didn't respond, this idea of liberty would disintegrate in our country, that as Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. said, Dr. King said, that the church is the soul of the nation. So, that being said, reaching out and honoring pastors that they're the beacons of liberty, 2 Corinthians 3.17, where the spirit of the Lord is, there's liberty. And so, we've put together a division of Turning Point where we want to provide to pastors and churches everything needed to be that beacon of liberty.

And the response, I was shocked, Charlie. When you said, let's do a pastor's conference, and we were thinking in San Diego, okay, we'll get a really nice venue. Maybe we'll get 250 pastors.

Blew the doors off. And now we're on our third and it's standing room only. And we have over 3,000 partner churches.

That's just unbelievable. The church understands its responsibility. And, you know, here, the same thing is true. And we want to try to clarify some of the main questions people have, and really, in the short term, kick wokeism out of the church. It's devastating, because if the church operates in the context of truth, and if wokeism comes in and we compromise truth because we think we're being loving, all we're doing is, you know, love without truth is hypocrisy. But truth without love is brutality.

There's a balance. Speak the truth in love. And you've been doing that so well. And so, you know, I want to get to some audience questions here.

But just can you talk, Rob, about some of your experience? And, you know, you've been navigating this church world for quite some time. I think we are seeing a building of a remnant and an expansion of churches standing up, but it's certainly not a vast majority of the churches.

That's true. You know, you and I, Charlie, were kind of shocked during the COVID deal that we thought more churches would stand up when, especially in California, when the governor said the church was non-essential. We thought there'd be a huge backlash to that, that a governor would declare the church to be non-essential the bride of Christ.

But a handful did. And we focused on those that were doing that, those who were not afraid of the consequences of standing for the truth. And now, one of the things I've appreciated so much among many is that you bring pastors who really were woke, but now they realize their mistake, and you put them to the front of the line, and we start to minister to them, and we're watching as they're joining this effort. And it's starting to take off substantially to contend with wokeism, where we think that peace is the absence of conflict. That's not what peace is.

Peace is the presence of Christ in the midst of the conflict. We're contending for lives and communities that are being devastated by lies and deceit. Amen. And so, Rob, how do you personally handle this kind of mounting narrative of Christian nationalism? It's building, there's a lot of secular forces that are trying to throw that label at us.

Yeah. Well, in one sense, it's kind of exciting, because that means we're over the target when all that the opposition has is ad hominem attacks. And to make a mantra or a moniker, Christian nationalism, to somehow be a negative is shocking to me. That Christendom somehow would fold because somebody's called us Christian nationalists, that we would love Christ and we'd also love our country.

And then they call us a name and we quit participating. I mean, come on, you can love two things at the same time. I love my wife and I love the Lord. Yes. I can, considering 80 cents of every dollar in evangelism comes from the United States of America, I love this.

Worldwide is the financier of global evangelism. I love my country. I love the freedom that this country possesses. I love the first 16 words of the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights.

Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. That doesn't exist in North Korea. It doesn't exist in communist China. We have that in America.

I love this country. Does that make me a Christian nationalist? The apostle Paul declared his Roman citizenship. He's a nationalist. He's a Christian nationalist. He knew the laws of Rome better than most people know the laws of America. So Abraham Lincoln would be a Christian nationalist.

George Washington would be a Christian nationalist. Hey, listen, they're going to call you names. Don't just focus.

Someone calls you a name. You know, embrace it. This is what we do. We're contending for the freedom and the protection of the freest nation on the face of the earth. Why do you think they're really trying to launch that narrative right now? What do you think is behind that? Well, what's behind it is they are the antithesis of someone who loves their country. They want America destroyed. The whole purpose, the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy. John 10.

Yeah. And they've wanted that since day one, the destruction of the freest nation on the face of the earth. This is this is such an anomaly in the 6000 years of recorded history that for almost 250 years, come 2026, I mean, 250 years of unprecedented freedom. And and they want that wiped off the face of the earth because, you know, that the lion's share of governments in the 6000 years of recorded history is oligarchies. The few ruling the many. They hate a bottom up form of government. They hate the freedom of man. We are saddles that the elites want to ride.

And that's just not going to happen on our watch. So for some people watching, they say, you know, I think I want to be involved in this, but I'm new to this church or this event. And my pastor doesn't emphasize this stuff. What what theological and biblical basis can we give people that you should contest for your country?

Oh, absolutely. You know, I'll give you what Jesus said when he was confronted with, you know, what's the great commandment? He says, I love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, strength and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. And then he says this, he says on these two commandments, hang all the law of the prophets. So you're contending for your neighbor's welfare.

Don't you want them to have a community that they don't have to be afraid at night of someone breaking in and stealing their private property? You know, from the moral law comes civil law. And when the Lord said to his disciples, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees Sadducees and of Herod, it doesn't mean be avoid politics. It means avoid the priestly and the kingly class that seeks to enslave humanity by applying law that is void of the moral law, the decalogue, because that becomes a weapon to enslave. But when the moral law is applied, it's the wise restraints that make men free.

And so we're contending for the welfare. And then Matthew 16, 18. This is one I credit you with, Charlie, because you did the lion's share of the hard work to get the etymology of the clarity of this word. I knew of it.

But man, you did a deep dive. The word ecclesia or ecclesia. Jesus says upon this rock, I will build my ecclesia or ecclesia. It doesn't mean church. That didn't come to hundreds of years later. It means public square city hall, even Tyndale translated assembly.

And for that word, he was hung and his remains were burned. We are to contend in the in the public square for the welfare of our neighbor. And the law doesn't save.

We're not saying that. But the law is a guardian, Galatians three, a school teacher to point us to Christ until faith comes. So we are commanded to love our neighbors ourselves. And we want to provide for them that which is going to give them the freedom to pursue the Lord. No other nation in the history of the world takes the most powerful branch of government, the legislative body that controls the purse strings, and then limits them by saying, nobody gets between man worshiping God, Congress shall make no law. It's prohibitive and angry.

And that's the beauty of America. We have the freedom to pursue God. Last part. You and I, Charlie, as you know, will be judged before the Lord individually, whether or not we're covered by the blood of Christ.

But nations will be judged corporately. That's right. And Jesus says, go and make disciples. He didn't say make converts. He said, make disciples. He just said, just make disciples. He said, make disciples of all nations, boundaries, borders, constitutions, you know, ideologies. Nations will be judged on whether or not their citizens had the ability to pursue and seek the living God.

That's what we should be contending for. And so at the root of the lack of concern, where do you think that comes from? Not the ones that are radical.

We could talk about that later. But just some of the pastors that don't seem compelled or convinced to ever mention these, they say, I only do the gospel. An objection you've heard nauseatingly amount of times, right? Yeah, that gospel is truncated in myopic. And what I mean by that is, I believe most pastors saying, do you believe in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ, that Christ was crucified, buried and rose on the third day? If you believe in your heart, confess with your tongue that Jesus is Lord, who will be saved to the glory of the Father. And he cast your sins as far as the East is from the West to be remembered no more. That's the kind of a synopsis of the gospel. And so they avoid everything else in order to put that forward. Well, okay.

But how do you have the ability to do that? If preaching the gospel is the most important thing, wouldn't the second most important thing be protecting the government that protects the preaching of that gospel? Because that message is not being broadcast in North Korea. It's not being broadcast in some of the remnant Soviet blocs. It's not being broadcast in the Soviet blocs, especially China. You'll be put to death for that. And this broadcasting that comes from the United States is a result of that religious freedom that these pastors are enjoying but are unwilling to defend.

That's unconscionable and that's unacceptable. You know, these liberties were secured as men and women bled and died defending these liberties. And the church is to be the beacon of that liberty, because liberty is not man's idea, why would we not contend for that? And you've done a great job, Rob, and we at TPSA faith are getting people that otherwise were not interested in that to begin to, but there still is a population that is resistant. Have you been able to hypothesize the psychology behind that?

Because it certainly isn't biblical, it's not theological, but there's something there that seems to be the predominant view. Yeah. Well, you know, the movie that TPSA faith just sponsored, Letters to the American Church, you know, Eric points out that there were, I think, 17,000 evangelical pastors in Germany in 1936. 3,000 of them were standing to defy the tyranny of Hitler. 3,000 of them stood in the polar opposite, embracing everything of the tyrannical Hitler.

And then there were 11,000 in the middle that just wanted it all to go away. And nobody in 1936 expected six and a half million Jews to be gassed and incinerated, and over 50 million people dead from a country that was responsible for the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther. And yet because the church was silent and apathetic, silence in the face of evil is complicit with evil itself.

Yes. You know, it says in James, he who knows the good to do and does not do it, to him it is sin. And I would say to those pastors who are apathetic, you don't have the luxury of being apathetic. When Jesus says to allow one of these little ones to stumble, it'd be better for you to have a millstone tied around your neck and cast in the deepest ocean.

And they're allowing hormone blockers, puberty blockers, these medications that are considered inhumane to be given to, yeah, Lupron, to be given to serial rapists, and they're mutilating children's bodies without parental permission, and you're telling me we don't have a purpose to defend and fight against that evil? It's unconscionable and unacceptable, and you know the good to do, and if you don't do it, it's sin, and you'll be held accountable. And God forbid, as a steward of the bride of Christ, you're not contending for the welfare of those kids?

Come on. It's very rational, obviously, to me, and we need to do a better job of trying to lovingly challenge the pastors that are not yet contesting, because their excuses are diminishing. They say, well, I don't want to divide my congregation, Rob. Charlie, I heard you one time answer a question similar to this when we were talking about the transgender aspect, that why aren't we more loving to the transgender community and be more accepted? That's one of the questions the audience sent in.

Oh, really? Well, that's great, because your response to that was, what is loving about embracing the psychosis of a human being, and then sending them at a point where they're not even comprehending what they're doing to mutilate their body? And then we've been on the other end, where we're fishing these folks out of the cesspool of society, where they've realized they've made a tragic mistake, and they're testifying before Congress. Chloe Cole, all these amazing people.

Yeah, amazing people. And the backlash, because the truth is never afraid of a lie, but a lie can't survive in the presence of truth. So they have to shut folks like that down in order to put forward their propaganda, which is the lie. They have to silence, you know, by censorship, the truth, in order to put forward the lie, which is the propaganda. And pastors are supposed, we are supposed to be about truth.

Yes. Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. We are representing him. And you know, the third commandment is, don't bear false witness. Don't profess yourself to be a Christian, and yet don't, and avoid defending truth?

Nah. Yeah, we're gonna get to the trans issue in a second, and I will say, though, can we just brag on a second, though, Rob, how many great pastors out there we have made friendships with? Because there is a remnant, and I encourage everybody watching this right now in Houston, that if you don't yet have one of these churches, you can work at TPU Safe Faith to find one, right? Yeah, that's right. And we want to encourage you that there's a better way out there, because I can't tell you how many emails I get of people that say, yeah, you know, my pastor said there's nothing wrong with transgenderism, and I just said, you deserve better.

You deserve better. And churches that have stood in opposition to the cacophony of noise from the secular left, their churches have exploded, they flourished. And the ones that have embraced the lies and have embraced it as saying that they're loving, but they've abandoned truth, those churches are struggling.

Yes, they are. And you know, and like you say, we get calls all the time. I can't tell you how many calls I just get. Personally, we're moving to so-and-so.

Do you know of a church that's like, God speak all the time? People are hungry and they're just looking for leadership. And God bless these pastors that were doing it all by themselves. And as you began to travel the country and finding them, I know it's like a quilt now, this patchwork.

All right, let's get to some of your questions here. You guys can also email them and submit them freedom at charliekirk.com. Shouldn't the church be more loving towards the transgender community? How can we better love them? So let's, first of all, the question implies we're not currently loving towards them, which I don't accept the premise of the question. I actually think churches are doing a pretty good job of having love and truth.

I don't feel that there is an unloving posture at all. And we did see in Houston recently, a trans individual who went into Joel Osteen's church with the intent for mass murder. And thankfully that did not transpire.

I believe someone did lose their life, but it could have been much, much worse. So Rob, you run a church. How do you handle this issue on the micro? Let's just say, theoretically, a parent comes up to you, Sally Sue Marie is now Johnny. How do you as a pastor handle that? When a parent's asking you for help, they're saying, Rob, you're my pastor. My kid grew up in this church.

Help me. So one of the things that we're going to see start to dwindle if Christians don't participate in the public square is our religious liberties. So currently, even in California, where our church resides, if a child comes in who's struggling with their identity and they're a biological male, it's not an issue what we're going to call their name. They can go by any name they want, but if they're a biological man, they want to use the women's bathroom, that's just not going to work. It's not going to work with us. We recognize two genders.

There's male and female. That's how God created. That's what we teach. You're going to have some confusion.

We're going to walk you through that, but we're not going to coddle you in those areas. We're going to speak the truth to you. And because of the indoctrination that that generation is facing, whether it be at school, they're not going to face it when they come to the church. We're going to stand firm and encourage them. And we're going to encourage the parents to do that. The parents are bombarded by the school districts to embrace this to the point where they almost they're going to lose their parental rights and the child will become a ward of the state. If the church doesn't intervene right now, this is going to become more and more the norm. And we're seeing as they're contending for their children. But if we can reach them early enough and they come, they're surrounded by a community of kids are saying, look, we all get confused at some point or another. Adolescence is confusing, but you're not going to mutilate your body.

We're just not going to do that. Yeah. And I will add to that. If there's a great book, everyone should check it out. It's called Lost in Trans Nation by Dr. Miriam Grossman.

She is amazing. If you're a parent and your kid comes to you and they say they are of a different gender, that first conversation is very important. You can freak out later. Don't freak out with your kid in that conversation.

Just be immensely curious. At the end of the conversation, though, you have to be clear you're not going to use those pronouns that they want to use. But you can say we can revisit the conversation later. So you got to be super firm, but fair and loving. And that first conversation matters a lot. And just to reiterate, you cannot change your sex.

That's right. You could change your appearance. You can you can enhance your personality. You can change your you can try to change your parts.

Good luck with that. But you can't change who you actually are. This is part of the false myth and one of the destructive narratives embedded in the transgender ideology.

That's right. And it is an ideology. And there's and they wonder why there's so much violence that's occurring. I mean, this segment with with the psychosis that they have, it results in violent behavior. I mean, that's what happened in Tennessee with the shooting there in the Christian school.

And you couple that with SSRIs and Prozac and benzodiazepines and it's cray cray. So just the other thing, which is that if somebody thinks they are of another sex, the most loving thing you can do is to try to get them back into alignment with the sex that God gave them. So let's go to this here. All right. So this one, Rob or Charlie, I love what you guys do.

Thank you, guys. Can you explain why it's crucial for the church to be actively involved in politics? I know you touched on this earlier. I'm constantly told by my church pastor we shouldn't do anything but preach the gospel. They say that Trump is bad, that Biden is bad. There's no difference between the two parties, that we shouldn't fight for abortion. We should just try to win souls and win the lost. I know it's kind of a very similar flavor of the question, right?

It is. OK, so so as you and I have both done our homework politics, as we know from Aristotle, is the highest form of community. It combines morality with sociability. And I always say when I'm speaking to pastors, if God didn't intend us to be in politics, he wouldn't have invented marriage because you have you have to celebrate a birthday, you got to stay alive to celebrate an anniversary. You're going to stop from killing each other. You've got to have rules of engagement, how to get along. And that's going to be in marriage. That's going to be in a church board meeting.

That's going to be in a family. That's going to be in a community, in a society. You have rules of the road.

How to get along? Who's writing those rules? And does it give man freedom or is it is it enslavement? And why wouldn't Christians participate? And here's here's here's the problem. Pastors say that politics is dirty and it is a blood sport. I mean, I've run three four campaigns.

I've won three of them. It's hard. It's a nasty enterprise.

It is a nasty enterprise. But yeah, politics is dirty. But so is the church. And we don't give up on the church.

Right. And they say, well, I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils. You know, Republican, Democrat. They're all the same.

Well, yes and no. There seems to be an elitist globalist mindset that that covers both of the parties. And then there's the common guy like you and me. So we have the common man contending with the globalist. But in the same regard, yeah, they're there.

They do seem to be the same. But you say I'm tired of voting for the lesser of two evils unless Jesus is running for office. You're always voting for the lesser of two evils. That doesn't give you the right to abdicate your responsibility to contend for the welfare of your neighbor. Yes.

That's our job. The Lord said that's a commandment to love your neighbors yourself. Leviticus 19, 18 or whatever it is.

Yeah. And the other part that I would I would argue is that somebody is going to write the laws, as Rob says. But by what morality? By what moral standard?

And if the church is absent, then you're going to be living under, at the very best, a secular and probably worse, Marxist or some sort of a combination of very, very sinister worldviews. You know, the Lord commanded we memorize the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments. He commanded that. And to teach our children and our grandchildren. And placed it in the center of the community. And outside every home.

And outside every home. We even have it on the facade of the Supreme Court building, although they won't tell you that. It's Moses holding the Ten Commandments. And the reason why is you would know, you would know communism is a violation of two of the Ten Commandments. Thou shall not steal and thou shall not covet.

Right. The idea of, you know, and then when you when you have the moral law dictating civil law. And as you clearly pointed out, the most quoted book in the world for our founders was the Bible. And the most quoted book and the most quoted book of the Bible by our founders was Deuteronomy, because they saw in the civil law reflecting out of the moral law that that three to five million slaves could live together for 40 years without a police force or standing army. Because the first five commandments is our relationship to God. Second is our relationship to each other. That is politics.

That's community. And then you establish civil law, the protection of private property. Take out the moral law. The civil law just becomes arbitrary. And the governor can say, hey, church is not essential. Hey, we're going to kill Jews.

Hey, they're rats. Who gives you the authority? I'm my own God. There's no absolutes. Do you believe that? Absolutely. That's a joke. But but here here we have and you know what, Charlie, how many folks know the Ten Commandments?

You know, that's actually a really quick, very few. The next question is next question is they're asking if we can rip through all 10. Oh, yeah. And just kind of like, you know, do a little teaching on it.

All the illustrations are finished for my children's book and I'm getting ready to do a children's book. Yeah. On the Ten Commandments.

No way. Seriously, because I I kind of put this together. I've watched a couple of videos, but this one is kind of unique to me. But OK, so you put up one finger. There's only one God. Then you put up two fingers and bend the second one.

No idols. Don't bow down. Three, put it over your mouth. Don't take the name of the Lord, your God in vain. Four is make a pillow. Honor the Sabbath day. Five salute on your mother and father. Add six and you got a gun.

Don't murder. Right. Seven is my favorite. Is unique to you. Yeah.

It's it's an amalgamation, I should say. So so seven is it's don't commit adultery. There's two in a marriage, not five.

Right. And then you take this and you hide the thumbs when you do eight and you say don't steal because you get your thumbs cut off. OK. Five is a little easier. Just it's five, not four or four, not five. Don't bear false witness. And then this one is don't covet. That's it. That's the decalogue. You apply those everywhere you go in life and every decision you make.

No, no, no, no. Put that back. You can't that you're not allowed to steal.

Not allowed to steal. I'm going to work today. Have you had it? Have you had a Sabbath day? Have you had any rest? Because, Charlie, you know what it's like if you don't rest, you're cooked.

I know for six days you shall work for one day you shall rest. And you have proven the effectiveness of that. You shut off social media.

I shut off everything. And it revolutionized your ability at productivity. It extends the shelf flight. It does. It's profound.

You know, the on your mother and father, if you can learn how to submit to, you know, earthly parents who are flawed, you'll have no problem with a boss. Talk about how that's the bridge between the God and the human. And it's there intentionally. That it is because he's our heavenly father. It applies to both.

Right. You know, you look at Ephesians five and six, which is the structure of the family. It says submitting to one another in the fear of God. Wives, submit to your husbands under the Lord. Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church. Children, obey your parents with the commandment. The only commandment comes with a promise. You'll live long in the earth of the land in which I've given you. So you've got you've got four levels.

You've got God, husband, wife, kids. The weakest has the most levels of protection. And that's that's intentional by the Lord. But but here's the one, you know, folks say like like a wife, you know, the patriarchy, wives submit to your husbands.

I mean, that's such a patriarchal thing. OK, there's a structure to a family of followers. And then isn't any greater than the than the leader and the leader is not greater than the followers. It you're you're a structure of a family.

That's what it is. And there's not a there's not a man on the earth who's worthy of a wife submission. I mean, we're flawed.

We're train wrecks. But that doesn't change the fact that God, who is worthy of submission, has commanded you to submit. So you're not submitting to the flawed man. You're submitting to the Lord who's asking you to submit to the man. That's that's that's easier to do, because you're you see, OK, Lord, you'll work something out of this. And and and there's there's a level you don't submit if he's calling you to break the law or violate the law.

Yep. And that's that's why Romans 13 doesn't even apply with the church that God appoints all positions of his authority or to submit to that. But it also says we're there. They're there for our good. They cease to do good. They cease to be the authority. So so these this is that bridge that that honor your mother and father.

Well, he's our heavenly father. And we've got parents that, you know, at times you don't get to pick the parents you get in this world, but you can pick the kind of parents you're going to be. Kids will say, I don't I don't get along with my parents. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you don't have to get along with them. Just obey them. Just honor them. Yeah. And it the word honor means heavy in Hebrew, just like the word to curse is light. So you just must treat them with with significance.

Yeah, it's it's they have substance. You know, you and I have talked about this now that, you know, we're we're fathers and we're also sons. And and we look and, you know, we're making decisions and we start thinking, you know, it wasn't as easy for my dad as I thought it was now that I'm in his shoes and my dad's past, your dad's still living.

And there are times where I wish he was still here. Could I ask him, could dad, what did you do in this season of life? And I gain a greater respect for him the older I get.

And he raised four kids, you know, on an on a Navy officer salary, which wasn't substantial and moving every two years. How do you keep that family together, dad? Now, we weren't churchgoers, but every time I speak of my dad, I always try to honor him. And sometimes the best way you can honor your folks is to say, you know, I learned from my dad what not to do, but I'm grateful God brought him into my life because he was an anvil that made me who I am.

You know, there's you can it's like eating chicken, a whole chicken, you can eat the meat and spit out the bones, but find something. And I guarantee you, last part, you and I are both Churchill fans. A big picture of him right there. Churchill's father, Randolph Churchill, considered his son to be retarded. He wouldn't even visit him in school and and never spent a day with him. And Churchill, the only thing Churchill ever said about his father was he regretted the fact he couldn't serve with him in Parliament, never spoke poorly of him. Reagan's father was an alcoholic, a drunk that he would carry in from the house.

Never once did he speak poorly about his father. What's the point? You're going to blame them, learn from them what not to do, and thank the Lord that he is your heavenly father. That's the bridge. The anything else in the Ten Commandments that you want to mention before we go on? And it is the Ten Statements, too, which is in Hebrew. Well, the interesting thing is the contrast or juxtapose, I guess you have you have the Ten Commandments, which is for society. That's for human beings, because, again, the law is a school teacher guardian to point us to Christ until faith comes. We're under the laws of nature and nature's God. You don't have to be a Christian to be governed by the law of gravity. We're all bound by that, whether we believe in it or not.

Yes. So the decalogue is for all humanity. But the Beatitudes are for the Christian, those who come to faith because remind people the Beatitudes. OK, so it's Matthew five, six and seven. Blessed.

Oh, how happy. Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is a kingdom of God. That's the beginning of a Christian relationship with God. You recognize it in me that is in my flesh dwells.

No good thing. I'm poor in spirit. That's the foundation for yours is now the kingdom of God. Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted. You mourn your sinful condition. God comforts you. There's there's now, therefore, no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. God has cast your sin as far as the East is from the West to be remembered no more.

And they build on one another. Blessed are the meek. Meek is this idea of a bit in a horse's mouth. A small piece of metal governs this majestic beast. You pull to the right, the beast goes to the right.

You pull and it's governed by the master. Your life is governed by God. Blessed are the meek submitted this this beast of an animal submitted to the righteous hand of the master. That's for the Christian. The decalogue is for society. It's for all people.

All people. What do you think is the least understood of the ten or the one that you wish we could riff on more or thou shalt not murder? They think it's thou shalt not kill. That's a big distinction. It's a big distinction.

Two different Hebrew words. Yeah. And why do you isolate that one? Well, because, you know, there's justifiable, you know, you, there's justifiable taking of life. The Bible even commands that.

You take a life, it's capital punishment, you know, and then then murder is where you just you covet something and you want it so bad that you're going to kill the person to get it. That is considered that that is your the Lord is judging you on that one. The other one that I don't think people put enough credence is, is don't take the name of the Lord your God in vain. You think, well, that's going around, you know, using Jesus Christ as an expletive when you stub your toe.

No, that's not true. No, that means that you're professing Christ while you're, you're, you're doing evil. You're doing evil. No, that's exactly, it means to carry. You're carrying the name of God.

The Hebrew word is do not carry the name of the Lord. And you're carrying that into, you know, you're turning religion into a financial gain, you know, a marketing principle. Or just pretend if there was like a Christian abortion center. Exactly.

That would be a very easy to understand example. Great one. Why am I doing all the talking?

I'm doing the thinking. I remember when I first met you, my son had told me about you. I met you in that green room in Liberty.

No, no, it was Ontario, California at that conservative radio. And there you were, you had a thick book on philosophers that you were devouring in the green room. And I've traveled with you extensively. You are constantly reading or you're taking in a podcast, because you're a mouthpiece contending for the welfare of your neighbor. And you want to know the things that they're struggling with.

So you're investing your life for their sake. And I don't think people realize the amount of work you put in, that the things you share with the citizens of this nation and around the world allow us to get a vision that is so helpful. Thank you. I love to learn. You do. It shows. I can't wait for that Ten Commandments book.

I'll show you the illustrations later. So some Bible trivia, everybody. The Ten Commandments are in two books, Exodus and Deuteronomy. Do you know the only thing that's different in the Ten Commandments?

Oh, you got me on that one. Yeah, the Sabbath is the only one that's technically different. And in Deuteronomy, Moses, via God, says you basically keep the Sabbath because you're no longer slaves. That's the only difference.

OK. Is that only slaves work for seven days. That's the only one that's different. That's cool. All right. Let's get to another question here. And we got plenty. OK. Yeah, this one. Charlie and Rob love this conversation.

Thank you guys so much. I have a hard time wanting to get to vote this November because I think that the entire system and government is corrupt regardless who's in charge. Why should I, a Christian, participate in a broken system?

Why are you a Christian? It's a broken system. Yeah, the whole world is broken. Yeah.

Everything has been impacted by sin except Christ. Yeah. I mean, it's a big broken blue marble. It's kind of like saying, why would you go to a grocery store and eat? It's a broken system. At some point, it's a law of entropy.

Everything reduces to its least common denominator. But the infusion of truth and Christ in the presence of that preserves and gives people time to be pointed to Christ. So why are you doing it? Because you're contending for truth. Do your homework. Vote.

And if you have the ability to be a poll watcher and you want to contend for the vote to count and to be honest, then do more. But instead of complaining, any donkey can knock down a barn door, but only a carpenter can build one. Quit whining and go do something. It takes no skill to complain.

No. And by the way, in all due respect to whoever asked that question, there's no depth to that question. That is just cynicism and I don't like that. And tell your kids, I didn't vote because your future is just not worth it.

I'm kind of sick of the whole process. Could you imagine if we had said, oh no, Hitler's already got all of Europe. Why do we have to go over and fight? It's not our fight. Or why found the country?

Yeah. Why bother? Why contend with King George?

Why would we write the Constitution? Weird loggerheads. Let's just go home. You have it right here. All right.

Another one. Rob, as a youth leader in my church, because you were once one, how can I help my middle school age students navigate all the cultural poisons they may encounter out there in the world from a biblical perspective? As a youth leader, I'm looking to other people that are or have been youth leaders that can contend for truth, but also shepherd these young souls. And that's a beautiful question.

It is. When I was a junior high pastor and a high school pastor, at the time, I would at the time, before the Drudge Report became liberal, it was an aggregate where I could pull off really cool news stories and I would pull them off and I'd put them in such a way that the kids would read them. And then I'd have the scriptures and say, OK, let's debate this.

And they'd just go to town on it and they'd have so much fun because they weren't doing it in their schools and they couldn't wrap their mind around a Christian response to these issues. The Drudge isn't going to work for that anymore. What I would say is citizenfreepress.com. Yeah, or Revolver.news. So what you're saying is find a news item.

Yeah, an aggregate that has some very... So does it have to be political or not political or... Well, it's all going to be political because it's going to have an opinion. Sure, but it doesn't have to be like Washington, D.C. No.

It doesn't have to be Congress. It's going to be things that the kids themselves will come into conflict with. They find a story that says 50 percent of students at Brown University are gay. Yeah, something like that.

Yeah, or one that's simple is where they showed the tweet or the X of the biological male at the basketball game in the East Coast state where three of these girls were injured in the game. OK, let's discuss that. What's fair about that? And to what extent? And how do we deal with transgenderism from the position that there's male and female?

And this is how it's presenting itself. What would you do if you were in those positions to make that choice? And let them discuss it. But always have the scriptures to encourage them.

So you have to use the Bible to defend your argument. You have to. Definitely. I love that.

Here's one. People love to hate on America and its founding. I know America isn't perfect, but I do know it has roots in God's design for man. From a faith angle, can you explain why America is so exceptional? Yeah.

Yeah. When they when you when you hear Benjamin Franklin's speech, when he called for three days of fasting and prayer and he says, you know, we've we've searched history and we haven't found a government suitable enough. And they come to a place where they broke away for three days of fasting and prayer, came back with this bicameral legislature, Lower House, Upper House, Congress, Senate.

It was brilliant in that capacity. But the thing the thing that defined them the most is they they declared in the birth certificate that our rights don't come from man. We're not a saddle to be ridden by another man. Our rights come from God. And the purpose of government is to protect those inalienable rights. And if they stop doing that, it is our right and our duty and our duty to push back.

It's our duty. That's what made America so profound is it was a government designed on how do we allow the human being to flourish in a relationship with the living God. Four times in our in our birth certificate, God is listed. And then you get to the Constitution where the seven articles are all designed not to give us rights, but to protect the rights given to us by God, that anyone who would govern by our permission would be constrained by those seven articles so they couldn't usurp our authority.

Amen. And then and then the twenty seven amendments, each one was designed so that government doesn't infringe upon the individual. And and yeah, it is a remarkable and it's not the first constitutional republic, by the way.

Israel, you know, Jethro said to Moses, appoint godly men who are not covetous, who love the law over thousands, hundreds, fifties, tens, federal, state, county, local. That was his father in law, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah. And and the and the Constitution would have been the decalogue.

And then from that came Deuteronomy with all the civil laws, second laws. Yeah. So representative form of government is pretty remarkable. Yes. The and just just to add on top of it, the there's this whole narrative in the media against the Christian founding of the country. You cannot possibly understand the whole picture if you don't read the state constitutions at the time.

And Bill Federer, I think, has done the best scholarship on this. Yeah. Which is how many states required you to be Bible believing Christians to serve in office.

Nine out of thirteen. Yeah. And so that that gets missed in the conversation quite quite often. OK. It's like it's like saying the Civil War didn't occur because of slavery. But yet you read the secession, secession documents of the southern states.

Every one of them includes slavery. That's right. OK, let's see here. A lot of questions.

You guys are coming. You can email them in real time, by the way. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. OK, this is one. How serious should Christians be about homeschooling?

Where do you fall on that? OK, so Michelle and I, we have we have five kids. Six of your grandkids are mostly homeschooled, right? Yeah. But Michelle and I did private school, public school and homeschooling.

So we've we've run the spectrum on it. For public school, will your child survive? Now, Mikey, who works for you, we didn't put we didn't put him in a public school, but we put his older brother, Daniel, in. And Daniel did really well. He did football and he had this heart to evangelize. Mikey went into a private Christian school and did really well.

Our girls, we homeschooled and they did all the way through high school. Yeah. Oh, wow.

I didn't know that. Yeah. And I mean, you have four great kids. Five. I'm sorry. Yeah.

Yeah. And they're they're tremendous. And, you know, they married well. And now the grandkids in California, because of the draconian, tyrannical measures of the governor, Governor Mussolini, my daughter's chosen a different route. We've learned a lot from Heidi St. John, what she does up in Washington, because Governor Isley is terrible. And they've created a homeschooling kind of co-op that flies under the radar that the state can't attack them. And so we find that the kids that are homeschooled are far better educated than those going through public school, because public school in California now is just simply indoctrination. It's not education anymore. So this is what I'd say to parents.

You find time for things that are important. Michelle and I raised five kids on a pastor salary in the most expensive state, and we lived in the third most expensive place in the world to live, the Silicon Valley, during the dot com where you couldn't find it. We lived in a windowless apartment.

I mean, that's crazy. But we did it because we wanted to make sure our kids were provided for. And I'm going to stand before the Lord and give an accounting of the kids that have been entrusted to my care. And I can't blame the teachers. They weren't entrusted. I was.

And I have to give an accounting to God. So it may be convenient to send them to public school. But remember, public school was designed by the Prussians.

And then you had the Rockefeller and the Carnegies who they weren't capitalists. They wanted to create a slave class. And they knew that they could control centralized education where they could indoctrinate your children.

And that's that's what's going to happen with the globalist movement. So we want to raise them in the love and the admonition of the Lord that when they're old, they won't depart thereof. And so we do that. And, you know, my kids have done well.

Yeah. And they're socialized. They're not like wallflowers. They're fun to be around.

And they can take they can handle a conversation, look in the eye and shake your hand and have something relevant to say. I can attest that is. Yeah. So the homeschooling movement is growing. It is.

I'm glad, glad to see that. This one's for me. Charlie, what has personally motivated you to advocate for the engagement of the church in the public square? And how has your faith influenced your approach to political and social issues? Come on.

My is so good. My faith influences everything as it should. Every decision, every view. And yeah, look, we launched Keep USA Faith largely because Rob and I were kind of mystified by the lack of churches that remained open during covid.

And on this, you know, where I sit here for this show, I wasn't in this chair, but a chair very similar to it. I made a prediction that all the churches were going to resist government tyranny. The worst prediction in radio history. Was the worst prediction in the history of American podcast.

There is no second or third place that doesn't even come close. And I made this prediction. I said, hey, you know, churches are going to resist because churches love liberty. And so we started to keep us a faith.

And the results have just been an incredible blessing from God. And Charlie, I've traveled with you, as I've said to the folks are watching you in the time I've known you, you've never missed a morning devotion. You you're always before the Lord. There's only one time in my life I've ever seen you nervous before you spoke.

That is true. And that's the first time you spoke in a church. I was nervous because you have such a respect for the pulpit and for truth. You love the Lord. And you didn't think that the two worlds could come together.

And that's that's where I was kind of shocked. You look to me, you said I didn't know a guy like you exist. I said, what do you mean a pastor in politics? I didn't know a guy like you exist. He goes, what's that?

A young guy who's conservative, you know, contending for the largest conservative movement in America. To me, it was like this. You're going to be the best preacher in America because this is what the pulpits need. And Charlie was just a fit. And you have never wavered from your faith.

You've never wavered. And now you see the value of it in the calling of young people. And you know what? Turning Point USA is a secular 501 C3. But you throw the net out and allow people to come to Christ at Amfest.

And in many of the thousands, I mean, the churches across the country would love to have a youth ministry like that. I'm so grateful for what you do. Well, thank you. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to Charlie Kirk dot com.