Does Ben Carson Deserve a Holiday More than MLK?

Hey, everybody. Today on The Charlie Kirk Show, we have a great conversation here with Pierre Wilson from Blexit.com, a project of Turning Point USA. Really great.

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Blexit.com. Peter, how you doing? I'm great, Charlie. It's great to be on. Thank you for having me. Yeah, you're you're doing a great job, man. I just want to say he's running Blexit and we have brought our forces together. And give us an update from the front line. Tell us the story of Blexit.

Tell us what's going on. Yeah, well, you know, legs are all started with legs that had a record breaking year last year and a lot of us do with the merger with Turning Point USA. So for those who don't know, obviously, BLEXIT was originally founded by Candace and Brandon. I think Turning Point had a big hand in that. I feel like it was meant when we came together because you guys were a big part of the launch.

So for the last couple of years, BLEXIT has been building a ground game. We have 47 chapters, 46 states plus DC. We've had national events, our liberation tours, we're on college campuses. But last year, I'll tell you what, when we merged with Turning Point, everything that we had been building over the last couple of years just took off. We had a record number of grassroots activism days, I think we're right around 1,000 last year, which is incredible considering, again, a lot of our ground team is volunteers. A lot of people don't know that.

These people are passionate, they're passionate about the cause and saving this country that they volunteer their time to help carry out the mission locally. We had two liberation shows. We tried to get, they tried to cancel us in Brooklyn.

Yeah, we should talk about that, yeah. They tried to cancel us and we didn't let them. We had two successful ones last year. And then we, for the first time, we really got onto HBCUs, historically black colleges and universities. I remember when we first launched that initiative to try to get into HBCUs, they said, oh, don't do that, it's like a lion's den.

You'll never get on HBCUs. And here we are, we now have three clubs. We did six stops, we have three clubs.

We're gonna do some more stops this year. So yeah, we're out there, Charlie. We're trying to move the needle in black America.

Well, you guys are, and the public opinion polling shows that Blexit is making a big difference. And let's just look at the landscape, not to criticize any other groups, but I don't think there are any other efforts like this with full-time staff and a sense of urgency. Is there anything that exists like this on the right? Anything close?

There's nothing close. I remember when I first, you know, when Candace first hired me and I started to look at, you know, some of the other organizations out there who focused in minority America. And, you know, I was inspired by some of them and I was like, oh, it'd be great if Blexit couldn't get that big one day.

I want to push to be bigger than that actually. But I was, I looked up to them and I'm not gonna name any names and I'm not here to throw any shade on those groups. But I'll say this, I look at it now and I don't, they're, we're leading the way.

Yes, you are. And you deserve a lot of credit for that. I thank you.

I thank God too, because where my life was before and then the journey I went on is all credit to Christ for sure. But I'll say, you know, you look at some of these groups, I think what we see is it's like a celebration of black conservatism. They just celebrate themselves. So you want to, you know, you go to a banquet with them. When you realize the next year you're going to a banquet, you see the same people. The next year you see the same people. And I think what's special about BLEXIT is year over year, you're going to see so many new faces involved in the movement.

Even our leadership conference, you compare pictures from this one to the one from last year to the one before that, you're going to see a bunch of new faces in those pictures. So, you know, we pride ourselves on spending more time with people who disagree with us than spending time with people who do. And to me, that's what we should be doing. We're truly trying to move the wheel. So I think BLEXIT is unique. You know, we're very unique in what we do. And I think we have organizations now calling us and trying to poach our people, you know, because I think the cream of the crop is with BLEXIT and Turning Point, so. Oh, it is. And it's BLEXIT.com if you guys want to support and this merger between Turning Point USA.

Just talk about that, Pierre. We were able to bring in, you know, graphic design support, you know, just any sort of reinforcements. And I think it's been this amazing force multiplier now that it's over a year, just about around a year, we now are seeing the success. It's been remarkable. Well, we had such a small staff before Turning Point and merging with Turning Point and all the resources that Turning Point has.

It's really just, like I said, everything that we were doing, it just went to the next level. Being able to get graphic designs, people don't understand just having flyers for our chapters to be able to have material right away. All those things matter.

You know, you don't want to send someone out there with, you know, a couple handful of flyers and expect them to reach people. You want them to be able to be equipped with resources and just having the support, even the faith team, FP, events. I mean, everything you've built here, Charlie, I think is incredible and we've benefited from it.

No doubt. Well, it's a beautiful mix and, you know, Candace and Brandon, we all have a shared story and, you know, so just kind of all made sense. And- Sister organizations is kind of like, we were already a one big family. Yeah, exactly. And what I've been super happy with, and you have a great reputation around here at Turning Point, how great everyone is working together and it's a shared mission.

And we have some really fun stuff coming up over the summer. And so Pierre, I want to ask you about the front lines. Again, you are going, you are having conversations that are difficult. And one of the reasons I would think that Black America has been so monolithically to the left is that these conversations have been happening, but the value system of Black America presents a potential opportunity to do better when it become family values, pro-life, faith, belief in God, hard work, all these things, that a little conversation can move the dial a little bit. And so let me just start here because there's so much to dive into here.

Give us the status report. What are you hearing from the front lines? So what I think people don't know is that you look at so many different polls, Black America is one of the most faith-based groups in the country. I mean, many of them were raised in the church. They have a lot of conservative values.

I think we've lost our way for a lot of different reasons, which we can get into. But what we're finding is that it's not so much that they aren't conservative, it's that they haven't, like you said earlier, people haven't really had these conversations from this perspective. So it's not that they are against conservatism, they're against the values that we stand for. It's that no one took the time to explain it this way. And then just to kind of paint the picture for people out there, you know, you go to school, your teachers, your professors, they're all left wing. A lot of them are left wing. They're teaching them one way.

Unfortunately, family members, mom, dad, they probably learned it from their grandparents. They're now spilling, they're saying the same thing in the household. You turn on the radio, you watch your favorite sport, LeBron James, whoever, they're saying left wing talking points. So, and Black American people are surrounded by the same voices.

They're surrounded by the same talking points. And we're coming in, we're providing a different perspective, a unique way to look at it. And we're just challenging them to think. We're not telling them how to think, challenging them to think. And that's the difference between us and the left. We don't have to control them.

We don't have to force anything down their throats. By challenging them to think through their own research, that we are finding that a lot of them are realizing they're conservative. We did one, I guess you can call it a test. We had a sheet and it just listed values, right? That are associated with conservatives and associated with liberals.

We didn't put any party labels, no candidates, nothing on it. Tarla, I'm not even kidding you, almost 90, over 90% of the time, these people were identified with more conservative values than liberal ones when there was no labels, no nothing attached to it. And that lets you know that these people in Black America have just been led astray. And I think the way the left got in there is through culture.

So, Blexit uses culture to get into Black America. So if you come to like a Blexit event, for example, you've got a liberation show, you'll notice it's very upbeat, right? You're gonna see bright colors. You're probably gonna have some performers. The speeches are gonna be upbeat. We're not gonna be there. I don't mind three-piece suits by the way, guys, but you're not gonna just be in a hotel room with a three-piece suit, someone just preaching at you. Yeah, that's not gonna work.

Yeah, it's gonna be very vibrant, but you're going to hear messages in a way that you hadn't heard it before. And we are finding that people are receptive to these messages. And just to give you one other example, obviously on college campuses, to have an event on the campus club needs to typically invite you. So when we didn't have a club, we couldn't get in front of these students.

So we found a creative way to do it. For those who don't know, HBCUs, their homecomings are huge deals. Like their homecomings brings out thousands of people, alumni, students, you name it.

So I said, you know what? We're gonna go in doing homecoming. We're gonna bring our team. We're gonna bring a camera.

We're gonna bring our influencer. We're gonna get in front of these students. And when we got in front of these students, they agreed with so much of what we were saying. I think we have a lot of video content.

I think you saw some of it. These people agreeing. So it wasn't a matter of whether we knew they were gonna agree or not. It was a matter of getting in front of them and having these conversations. And now that we're able to have these conversations, we're seeing the needle move. People should know, and this is where the turning point intersection works. Your focus on HBCUs, there's 104 HBCUs in the country.

It's a big population, right? And some are small, some are pretty big. And some of the best content I've seen, sending Savannah out there and others, is really mixing it up sometimes at these HBCUs. And I wanna talk more about that because part of what is necessary and what Candace has taught us and what Brandon has taught us, sometimes you have to make the difficult arguments. And sometimes you have to lean into it.

But outside of all of what people think, I actually find that black America is more willing to have these conversations than white college educated liberals. I would agree. Hey everybody, Charlie Kirk here. It's time to put some prep in your step with Good Ranchers New Year, New Meat Special. Delicious, safe and convenient meal prep is just one box away. 2024 is your year to ditch the mystery of the meat aisle and get the American meat delivered instead. Subscribe to any box and they'll add over two pounds of pre-trimmed, better than organic chicken breasts to your order for free.

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Cause, sort of a version. It's an amazing story. You've had family difficulties with your political views, ideological views, just kind of give us a little bit of a story there. Yeah, well, I'll tell you this. So there was three main points that I think led me to where I'm at today.

And I'll walk through them really quickly. You know, obviously I grew up in typical, in a typical black American household. You know, I think a lot of black Americans would agree with me that the victimhood mentality was taught whether our parents meant it or not. It was actually taught in our household.

And when people are like, what do you mean by that, Pierre? So I was told from an early age that this country wasn't built for people like me, people who were black, right, that I would have to work 10 times harder than my white counterparts. I would have to, I would have to watch out for the police. I would have, it was all these things that were taught to me from a very young age that, you know, you're a child, you're a kid, you're gonna grow up already thinking like, man, like white people have it better than me, you know? So that's why I said, whether they meant to teach me that way or not, these are things that young black kids are learning sometimes in their household, right? And so I had a very much, I had a victim mentality growing up and there were some key moments where I realized something was different about me though. And one was when I was in school. I remember my teacher, she gave us an assignment and she said, you know, you're not old enough to vote, but if you could vote for George W. Bush or Al Gore, who would you choose?

I want you to research this out. Who would you choose? Who would you vote for? And I remember, you know, picking Bush.

I wasn't worried about party labels at the time. I just liked the guy. I was like, oh, this guy seems pretty good.

I like what he stands for over Gore. Wrote the paper, I was proud of it. I was like, I'm gonna get great on this paper.

And I showed my mom, I was all proud to show my mom. And she went down like halfway through the first page and immediately she's like, absolutely not. You are not turning in this paper. Republicans are racist.

They don't support black people. You're not gonna turn this paper in. I went back, I rewrote the paper. Mama's always right, right?

I'm like, she's right. I don't know what I'm talking about. My mom knows, rewrote the paper. Something felt weird.

I'll fast forward to the second moment. I was in college. I attended a historically black college university for three years before graduating elsewhere, University of Maryland, Eastern Shore.

And then I transferred after my junior year. But when I was there, the election was between Obama and Hillary that climbed the primary. And people don't notice in black America. In black America, the election is the primary because whoever comes out of the Democratic side is just who you just line up on bond.

So it's not the Republicans. The primary is the real election for black America. So it was between Obama and Hillary. And I remember, the mic was going around the room.

Mind you, HBCU, 99% of the room is black. They're like Obama, Obama. The mic gets to me and I'm saying, I said, I don't know who I'm voting for yet. I said, I don't know much about Obama and forgive me, conservative audience. But I was like, I know a little bit about Clinton. So I know she helped out her husband's administration.

She's also a Senator. I'm still trying to decide which one I wanna vote for. Charlie, the entire room got dead silent. The people in front of me turned around and looked at me, gave me a death stare. I could feel the eyes on the back of my neck from the people behind me. And the young lady got the mic behind me and she goes, how can you as a black man not know who you're gonna vote for? And I'm looking at her and she's looking at me cause I'm like, there must be more to what she's about to say. No, he's black, I'm black, that was that. I should be voting for Obama. So I'm like, man, what if a white person walked in here and said, I'm voting for Clinton because she's white.

What would we feel about that? So I was like, something's weird about this. But I kept going and it wasn't enough to wake me up yet.

I'm sorry. But the third and final moment was Candace Owens. You know, I came across a YouTube video. This is early Candace Owens days. She was like red pill black before. I think the attorney point hired her.

That's right, we were just getting started. So this was like before she became really Candace Candace. And she was speaking about the single motherhood rate in black America, black and black crime, all these things in a way that I'd never heard it before. And man, it was like, she has to be lying. There's no way she's telling the truth.

I'm writing stuff down, Charlie, I have like a notebook. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna fact check all of this. So you had never heard any of that? Not the way she was saying it, not at all, not at all. And I was like, she's lying, I'm gonna fact check her. I don't know her, but I'm gonna fact check her. And I'm researching all these things, she's right.

She's right, every single point she was right about. And I'm laughing about it today, but in the moment it was mind boggling. I remember feeling lonely, like confused, lost. I was like, who am I? I don't even know who I am anymore. It really was a shocker to me to know that I felt like my entire history was a lie.

Everything I've been told was a lie. And I didn't know who to call. I was like, I can't call my mom, I can't call my dad. They're gonna think I'm crazy.

I don't have friends that think like this, so I can't call them. And it was a very lonely feeling. And I remember just getting on my knees, just praying like, Lord, I don't know what you're trying to reveal to me right now, but I need your guidance. So fast forward a couple of months, I put my first Facebook status up, sounds like a small thing, was a very big thing. I spoke about my conservative values and I got torn apart in my Facebook status. I had people saying I was being paid. They were like, oh, you must be paid by the white man now. And people calling me names, people I've known for years, these people know my character, they know who I am.

And they were just that quick on a dime attacking me. So for a lot of people, that'll make them want to stop. That's frightening. That's like, oh my gosh, I don't want to speak up again. For me, it did the opposite.

And that's what got me fired up about BLEXIT. So, but you dug in. I dug in, I did. I was like, man, I'm not gonna back down. It made me madder.

It made me more fired up to do this. And at the time, BLEXIT just got started. And I think they did a show in Los Angeles.

I think I was there, yeah. And I said, man, this needs to be brought to the ground. I love what they're doing, but this message needs to be spread everywhere. So at the time, and thank God, Candace, I encourage people not to do exactly what I did because she honestly probably could have sued me for doing this.

But at the time I printed material off of BLEXIT site, created my own flyers. We got two friends who I had met through some conservative groups and we started door knocking. We were door knocking.

We were trying to get people to come out. So you became a true believer man. A true, like I was fired up.

So I'm still fired up today, but I was so fired up. I was like, it's no way. But was it just like, I've been lied to, I need to set my people free. It was that, and it was also how quickly I got attacked. I knew, I was like, man, this is control. There is no way that people who have known me my entire life, people who I've helped throughout my life are now so quickly attacking me on a dime because of my conservative beliefs.

This is control if I've ever seen it. Like, there is no way, you know, you know my character, you know who I am, you know I'm not crazy, but yeah, you're calling me crazy because I have conservative beliefs. Like, that's a problem to me, you know, and no one should feel like this ever again. So that's what also inspired me to want to create a space where people, it would be normal to see black conservatives, it would be normal to see this around, right? And so when we started door knocking, we were planning for our first event. Our first event only had about three of us there. Well, six counting three of us.

It didn't go so great. But by the time we got to our third event, 50 people showed up and we were really building something. So we created a social media page.

We started highlighting our work. Candace got wind of it. I think I should frame that DM.

I tell my wife all the time, that was a DM that changed my life. She DMed me and she's like, hey, let's jump on a call. I really love what, you know, you guys are doing in North Carolina.

Jump on a call, fast forward to today. You know, she hired me, I think three months after that call, for again, 47 chapters, 46 states plus DC. We're doing liberation shows around the country, we're on HBCUs.

It is the premier black outreach program. It's the only really for conservative values. How does your family treat you if you're okay talking about that? No, I'm totally okay with it. My family knows we've had these conversations so they know I'm gonna be honest about it. So my mom actually, she didn't when I first had a conversation with my mom, she didn't take it so well about the final straw, I think was when she saw my support for Trump and my mom and I actually stopped talking for about two years. And I was, I guess the embarrassment to the family because of my support for Trump.

I think that was way too far for her. How'd you handle that? I mean. I would be lying to you if I told you didn't hurt some other. So it definitely hurts to hear that you're an embarrassment to the family. Mind you, I'm not out there doing drugs. I'm not out here gang banging. I'm not doing, I'm a college grad. I mean, I'm not doing anything crazy with my life where I would feel like I'm an embarrassment.

I just simply have conservative beliefs and I'm supporting the conservative candidate. Can I ask a provocative question? Sure.

Would black America would be embracing of Trump looked more negatively than gang banging at times? Not in your family, but generally. One would think, I guess, I don't know at this point.

You just made me think about it. Yeah. I mean, because being a status strange from the family is.

Yeah. You would think that you'd be in federal prison or something. You would think. I mean, my father was a little more receptive. He wasn't a hundred percent on board at first. He was kind of like, he had a lot of questions, but what my father did was he went and he researched. He started researching some of the things I was telling him.

He started looking up and he called me about a week later. He's like, you know, Pia, my dad is always like, Pia. I'm like, Pia or dad, you name me. He's like, you know, Pia, you're right about some stuff.

You know, and he. What in particular was the data that were you like, hold on a second. I think he, I think like one of the things we discussed a lot was like the party switch. We discussed that. We discussed the values of where each side stood. We discussed how they use racism almost every election cycle like clockwork.

We discussed who was the party of slavery. I mean, things that I thought my father knew, knew that he didn't really know, or at least didn't think about, you know, so very, really basic things. And, you know, him looking these things up for him was mind boggling. He didn't know. He didn't know the Democrats were a part of the KKK. He didn't know that either and segregation and segregation. He didn't, these are things that, you know, you would think he would have known, but somehow the left has rewritten history and black, especially in black America, they have rewritten history.

And things that we know, they've, they've shared a different version of it. So I think that he was really receptive. He not only, I think I know he was very receptive to at least doing his own research. It was just all I could ask for, because that's what I did. I never tried to tell people what to think.

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Check it out, myphdweightloss.com. So you had to navigate the family situation. Let me kind of just ask it this way. Let's just say these arguments take place because they're probably more like arguments, right? It can be intense, yes. Can you walk us through just kind of some you've seen or experienced?

I think they're largely helpful and healthy, but what are the topics, what are the issues? What are the points that are persuasive for, let's just say, a 60-year-old black American who has just said, I'm a Democrat, I'm on the left, and that's the way it is? I think it's important to ask them why right away because you realize pretty quickly that it's so emotional for what we found is most of this is an emotional response to what they think they're, like they, oh, maybe the Republicans are racist or it's something that doesn't have anything to do with actual policy or how the Democrats have actually helped black America, right?

There's some virtual signaling. We always see this, like Kamala, I think the last election she was out on HBCU campus in her chucks and pearls and dancing with the AKAs, right? It's like, oh, it must be an election cycle, right? It's something that makes them think that the Democrats somehow care more about black people than the right does. But when you really sit down and you really dig into why, most, and I'm confident in saying this, most cannot really name anything that they feel like the Democrats have actually done to improve black America. But let's say that they have, let's say they have.

We always make the case that, hey, local elections matter just as much, if not more, than national elections in every predominantly black city. Who's in control? Who's in control? So if you think that your life is somehow not going well, how long has the Democrat party controlled, you know? Yeah, just so everyone knows, and I just wanna make sure everyone understands, every city council seat in Chicago, every city council seat in Detroit, every city council seat in Cleveland, every city council seat in Philadelphia, and every city council seat in Baltimore is Democrat.

Yeah, they're complaining about the way that their life is and the people who are controlling it. It's one party rule. It is complete one party rule. And then they have no, typically they have no comeback really for that because a lot of people don't even think about it from that perspective. They look at it like, oh, well, Republicans, okay, Republicans don't have a say in your city, most likely. They can't even, they're trying, they would love to have a chance to prove to you that they can do better than Democrats.

We keep voting for the same thing. So I think when you really dig in, a lot of them don't even know why they're actually Democrats besides some type of emotional response that probably centers around racism or support for police or something that's an emotional reaction. And that's what the left has understood. Again, you notice the left never really talks policy positions. They don't want that debate with black conservatives. It's always like, well, they're racist.

They're gonna, it was Trump to send you back to Africa. Yeah, so I just, it doesn't phase me, as you well know. We did a whole show on MLK and the whole thing. Just so everyone knows, I called peer up before it. You called it like, hey man, we're doing this. And you were like. I was, I loved it though. I loved it. I love that you were bold and I.

That's very sweet. There's so many black conservative heroes. I mean, MLK is not God.

He gets his own national holiday, higher approval rating than Jesus, right? What about Frederick Douglass, right? George Washington Carver. There's so many amazing people, black icons that I think are far more deserving. I'm all for a federal holiday for Frederick Douglass's birthday, for the record. An unbelievable guy, loved the country, super eloquent, former slave. But it doesn't phase me, but our audience is paralyzed by being called a racist.

Can you riff on that? How should one respond? Because that is the scarlet letter of American politics.

I think the number one thing is to not, don't answer to anything that doesn't belong to you. So if it's not, if you're not a racist, you're not a racist, don't own that. Don't just, I feel like people sometimes think as we have, one thing about BLEX is we have people from every background that are also a part of this mission. We're not BLM, we're just gonna be black people only. We want everyone involved in this.

We want everyone in this fight to save the country. Everyone has a voice, everyone has a say. So I think we have to look at it from Americans, right? We're all Americans.

At the end of the day, it's not about black or white. We're all Americans. We want the best for every person.

We want the best for every single person. So don't answer to something that doesn't belong to you. Be bold about that. You're not a racist. No, I'm not.

You know what I mean, number one. But also again, questioning them to me is what we don't do enough. We're so quick to be ready for our talking points and to say what we wanna say back.

We don't ask enough questions. Why am I racist? Tell me what I've done, what I've said. That's what I do.

The policy stands. I get aggressive. Tell me why I'm a racist. Yeah, the burden of proof is on you.

Right. Because you made the accusation. You're throwing around this insane accusation.

So show me the evidence. And then also, I think it's also, they have an inability to define what racism is. And so for someone who lived in Jim Crow, that was never a question. But they'll say that, hey, if you listen to rap music, you're a racist. If you culturally appropriate, you're a racist. It gets overused.

Yeah. And it dilutes the term. If everything's racist, nothing's racist. If everyone's racist and no one's, I mean, it's being used so freely nowadays.

I mean, the real racists are probably somewhere like, we got cover now because everyone's being called a racist. Is it racist to believe that, to say that we believe in you, that you don't need government assistance? We believe that you can actually do it for yourself. We want you to stand on your own two feet and take care of your family. We believe in you. We believe you can accomplish the American dream.

Is that racist? Because that's what conservatives are saying. We're saying that we believe that you can do it on your own better than any government program.

Yes, and I also think the framing sometimes is wrong, which is it shouldn't always, it can be partially, hey, what is the Republican party or Democrat party done for me? It also should be, what can we do for ourselves? Right. That is far more empowering. Yes, I know that's what Blexit pushes, right? Because that's the only way to eventually get to material success, not just always demanding a bailout or demanding. Which keeps you stagnant and it doesn't really help you grow. A prisoner almost, right?

A prisoner. It's controlled. So I wanna ask what the issue set. The issues that I see that are turning heads is this mass migration moving of third worlders into black America. Are you seeing and hearing on the ground that that is creating chatter and potential political realignment? I think it's, I mean, you see what's going on in New York and the frustration up there. We are seeing that on the ground for sure, because the group that it affects the most is black Americans, right?

I think they do studies and all these things. After every study, it's always black Americans that are affected the most. Always.

Every single time. And the fact that you have the president going out there saying there's no issue, the border's safe, secure, fine. People aren't seeing that. They see the truth of what's happening out there. So I think that is resonating.

I do. And I think also just in general, the two presidencies, I know we were upset. I know we were upset about 2020, but in a way, the way I look back on it, I think it almost needed to happen because now people are seeing a direct contrast between what it was like under President Trump versus what it's like under President Biden, and it's a huge difference. It's a huge difference. Yeah, and the other, to Donald Trump's credit, he did try to reach out to black America.

I think he could do even more. There's this fear, Pierre, there's fear on both sides. White America has this fear that if they go and talk to an all-black audience, that they're gonna be booed and called racist. I'll speak anywhere. I would love to speak in an HBCU. I think it would be hilarious. We need to bring you, Charlie.

We'll bring you. Because I think our ideas are colorblind. It doesn't matter, right? Who's to say that a white guy can't speak in an HBCU?

And it's about values, it's about commonality, and I know you see it that way, which is refreshing. This isn't BLM. There's no little safe black spaces over here that white people can come into. Which is quasi-apartheid and segregation at its core. But what other issue set, the trans issue? I can't imagine that going after young black kids. That's been a huge one.

Can you riff on that? Yeah, so that's been a huge one. That's one thing.

When we were doing content on the HBCUs and we spoke to some of the alumni as well, that topic came up and every single one of them, they were against it. I mean, you're mutilating children at this point, and these kids are still finding themselves. I saw on my way here on the plane, there was a young girl and she looked like a tomboy. I didn't for one second think, oh, that must be someone that wants to transition into a boy. She's just probably going through a tomboy phase. I mean, kids have these moments.

So in black America, it goes back to something I said earlier, many of them were raised in the church. This is unacceptable. This is unacceptable to sit here and say, now that my son is a girl, because he picked up a Barbie doll, no, we just let them know, hey, that's typically a girl's toy.

You don't just say, oh my gosh, all of a sudden, I need to get surgery. Is this sparking lively debate in black America? I can't imagine that all of a sudden, like white liberal academic abstract medical behavior. I think it's been forced by white liberals on black America. I really don't think black America is an opportunity to push back against it, right? They tied it to the black lives matter movement. That's really kind of how it started. Because they're all run by black lesbians. Yes.

Can you talk about that? People forget that it was all black lesbians. Yeah, who wanted to see the destruction of the nuclear family. It was one of their pillars until they removed it from the website. They got a lot of heat from that and they removed it from the website. So, I think people are also seeing black lives matter for what it is.

You get a lot of credit for that Candace Brown. I mean, people that brought attention to the scam that the organization is, they adopted a name that resonated well with black America, but the actual group and their beliefs when people started digging in, they realized it was their frauds. Against the family, against the West. Yes, nothing that they advocated for was going to bring about prosperity in black America. Everything was about the destruction and separation of black America from everyone else. We should be treated better. We should be put on this pedestal. They weren't even arguing for equality.

No. They wanted everything to be, I mean, you saw the video of white people bowing down to black people, it made me cringe. This is what they celebrated that video.

They were like, that's how it should be. And how is that, I mean, I know you agree, but unity or healing or reconciliation, if that's really your goal, I mean, you want some sort of strange quasi-religious penance where white people have to take a knee? It's ridiculous, Charles. I mean, I don't even like seeing the black sections on Netflix and Hulu and some of these, I get weirded out about that. I cringe, but I get called a racist when I say that. How do you react when you see black voices on Netflix? It makes me think of the black only water fountain or something like, is this my section? Because you're saying this is the black section, can I not watch everything else? Or is it that white people can't watch this?

I'm confused now, I don't even know what this means. It's backwards, it's arguing for segregation. It's reverse racism in many ways, right?

Yes. I was so glad to see, this is kind of going on topic, but not really, a Gallup poll came out and it showed 52% of black Americans were agreed with the Supreme Court ruling about affirmative action. This is a game changer, man. Things are moving in black America, people are starting to see the truth. We don't need all these things. We don't need the special treatment.

They actually might hold you back. Yeah. And that's the argument that Thomas Sowell has made. Morgan Friedman said it best.

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Go to mypatriotsupply.com. So Pierre, this is just for my own curiosity because I did hear some objections here that I'm a white guy so I'm not allowed to comment on race issues. Just, what is your response when you hear that? I think, so can black people not comment on white issues? What are even white issues, right? We're human beings, right? For that person who's asking, they're saying there must be black issues and white issues, so are they also saying that?

What are they saying? To me, issues are issues, right? If we're all Americans, we're all here in this country, we're all equal, if they're fighting for equality then issues, I don't even like black history, mom, right? Black history is American history. So there shouldn't be white black issues, black issues, white issues, Asian issues.

There's just issues that are facing this country today and it takes all of us to respond to those issues. So you can comment on whatever you want, Charlie. Whatever you want.

Thank you. Not that you needed my approval. No, no, it's empowering to hear that. But what do you have to say when people were attacking me? They said, Charlie, when you did a factual and analytical take on MLK, you're hurting our chances to win over black people. No, I think I would say to those people that would you rather us lie to you? Would you rather us lead people to the right with a lie? Do you want us to play the game that the Democrats are playing? We want to lead with the truth.

The truth will set you free. I don't recall you saying anything like, you better think this way, right? I think you always challenge people to do their own research as well. You just help them, right? You lead them to the water. They have to decide if they want to drink, right?

That's what we do as conservatives. And it's not telling you what to think. We're just telling you to think. And maybe, just maybe, he's not the hero that everyone said he is, right?

Maybe, just maybe, right? Just decide for yourself. For anyone of the objections, and again, I'm built for this because we invited this fight because I felt it was important. Just listen to the whole episode.

Just listen to it, listen to the arguments, listen to the implications, and asking questions is not racist. And look, there were some good things, obviously. We talked about, right, he was against the Vietnam War.

I think that was great. He was very charismatic. He's obviously a talented writer, all these things. But to get to the place where you're six points more popular than Jesus Christ, our Lord, I got a problem with that. Right, and then we have to, we can't pretend he's the only one out there, either. I mean, we, oh, so, I mean, if MLK is not the guy we thought he was, does that change anything? There's a lot of other people out here who have done some great work. Of course.

It doesn't change anything. I think Dr. Ben Carson is a way better role model for black America than MLK. I agree, I agree. Dr. Ben Carson is a loyally married Christian man, neurosurgeon, like unbelievable. Yep, I read, I remember reading a book about him, even in my younger years, before I even went through my red pill journey and thinking this man was great. And I'll also say this about him, MLK, one of the most troubling things to me, in addition to some of the stances he took, was just, look, I'm a family man.

And one of the ways that I look at men is, how are you with your family? And- MLK was not good with his family. Yeah, and for people who value that, that should be concerning to you, no matter what you think he did that was great or not great, that should be concerning. I totally agree, I'll repeat that. I think that Dr. Ben Carson is a far more impressive and successful individual to honor with a national federal holiday than MLK.

I think I'll stand by that. What would you think if Trump chose him as vice president? What would your reaction to that be?

I think it would be a good pick for many different reasons. And I, and none of the top five is him being black, by the way, I don't want to see color when I'm looking at that. I don't want to do what the left is doing. I want to choose the best person. Well, he's unbelievably qualified, color aside. I mean, he was the first ever person to separate conjoined twins at the head, first ever to do it successfully.

This guy has literal steady hands. He was, by the way, Dr. Ben Carson was one of the most celebrated people before politics got involved. Like you said, you were aware of him. I read a book on him. I read a book on him in my early years. And for a lot of people, and particularly speaking for Minority America, they saw Ben Carson as a hero. He was one person that I think was brought up in school a lot.

And it wasn't until he started talking about his conservative beliefs that all of a sudden he's like getting canceled, you know, but I know a lot of people who learned about Ben Carson growing up and that just tells you the kind of man that he's been throughout his life. I don't want to get ahead of myself and I don't want to get too excited because I don't like these big predictions, but if Ben Carson was vice president, would it make it easier to win over black voters? I think it would. But it would still be a heavy lift.

It would still be a heavy lift for sure, but I think it would make it easier because representation, whether we like it or not, for many in black American representation- Is a political reality. Is a political reality. A hundred percent is. Part of what we're doing at Blake's is we're trying to get them to a point where they're not looking at that verse all the time. I know.

That's the best work you could do. Yeah. But when we first go in, we are aware that that's important to them, right? So for that reason alone, I think it helps. But also again, just going back to that point I made, many of them heard about the great man that he was before he ever got involved in politics. So it's not far fetched with him. They have a reference point.

They have a reference point. He was not like Trump level, but he was a celebrity in black America. By the way- Gifted Hands, I think, was the name of the book.

And a movie. Earned, deserved. I remember we talked about Ben Carson when I was in sixth or seventh grade, and he was lifted up as a black history month civil rights icon. When I was in government school in the suburbs of Chicago, they'd show this guy Ben Carson. They say he's one of the most successful doctors in the country.

And now he's hated and vilified by the media, which I think could red pill some people, right? But he's, his demeanor- Oh, it's so godly, isn't it? He acts like Christ does, man. Yes, but he's also a perfect fit for, that's why he's also a perfect fit for Trump as well.

Oh, you have Trump who is, you know- He's the star. He's Baraka, as Curtis Yarbrough would say, which is kind of like this overly magnanimous figure. And then calm, cool, and collected Ben Carson. And he would, he would, I would love to see him in a debate against Kamala because Ben Carson is incredibly intelligent and he would wipe the floor with her without even really raising his voice.

He's wicked smart, like very, very smart. In closing, let's talk about 2024, all the work that Blexit is doing. It's Blexit.com, hiring more people, doing more things, Blexit liberation stuff. We're doing leadership conferences, your community events. You guys have a great presence on social media. I should say we, because we're all together now.

So just brag on Blexit for two minutes. We're going to, so record-breaking year last year, we're going to do a bigger this year where we have some things, obviously, I don't want to, can't announce everything yet. Have some meetings, some things we're going to talk about, but plan on something really big from Blexit this year, I think, that we'll do that may cause the media to lose their mind and pull out their hair. But we'll do more activism days. Our grassroots work, I tell you, is some of our most important work because we're reaching people. We're going into neighborhoods, Baltimore, Atlanta, you name it, Detroit. We're going into places that I think the conservative side maybe didn't go in too much.

We're having these conversations. We're having people attend events and become a part of our group. It was a number that we were following the stat. There were 70% of the people that were leaders for Blexit now. This was the first time they had ever been a leader in any organization like this. And by the way, when I spend time with the Blexit leaders, these are tough folks. They've been called every name in the book.

They are in it for the right reasons, right? It's really remarkable. Yeah, and we're going to do more liberation shows too. Our daily Candace Brandon, different speakers out there. You did a video for our last one, which is great. And we're going to do more of those. We're going to hit these HBCUs hard.

Man, I'll show up at one. If you'll have me. We will bring you, Charlie. We will bring you. We're excited about what we were able to accomplish last year in this HBCUs.

And now we're feeling so confident about the ability to be able to break into this place. Look, I have a heart for the black community. I always have.

And it's just been so terrible to see left-wing Marxist secular godless leaders and policies destroy what should be a much more vibrant, wealthy, successful part of America. And if I could say one thing to your audience, I just want to back up what you just said, Charlie. I mean, you've been, you and your team have been extremely supportive. I mean, we're now part of this family. I always have to remind myself I'm part of Turning Point's allies, but since the moment we came in, I mean, you guys have been nothing short of supportive.

So anybody saying you're racist, anything I'm telling you right now, you could best further from the truth. Peter, God bless you, man. Thanks for saying that. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening. God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.