Total War on the Border

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Where do they come from? How is it possible they run the Mexican government? We have Jason Jones to discuss and how they monetize people on the southern border.

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Go to noblegoldinvestments.com. Joining us now is Jason Jones, Vice President of Border 911 and a cartel and border intel expert. Jason, welcome. It's great to be with you. We were having a spirited conversation about what's happening on the border.

It's a crime against humanity. How bad is it? Just for the uninitiated listening in our audience, what's going on? I've been working that border since 1999, never seen anything like it. If you look in the sheer volume of numbers of people crossing in the last three months, over 900,000 people according to U.S. Customs and Border Protection. Over what period of time? Since three months.

Three months. So that's 300,000 a month, and that's 10,000 a day. Ish. Ish.

Yeah. We were averaging 12,000. How many of those, does that include got aways or is that just- Oh, that doesn't include got aways. How many do we think- 1.8 million under the Biden administration.

Got aways since the beginning of his term. That's correct. And those are just the ones we know of. Yeah. So the got aways are people that are now the interior of the United States.

We have no idea who they are. They run and what is border patrol, not pursue them, or they just can't get hands on them, or they're distracted. They do a distraction type deal.

Oh yeah. It's all by design. You know, and that's the story though, Charlie, that's not told to the American people because when you see most of the media, what do they show you? They show you these big groups crossing, but that's by design with the cartels because they send those big groups. And then from there, that's where they open up to move fentanyl, deadly drugs, and the high values have been crossing. And one of the things that's really important for the folks to understand is that in the old days, our border was a US, Mexico, Central America problem.

Today, the world is truly coming. I mean, we had people from 171 different countries last year. There's a bunch of West Africans coming to Arizona.

What's the story there? How about on your border for the last seven days straight down in Lukeville, trying to understand that. And according to border patrol, they started first seeing them about six months ago. And that directly linked to the Sinaloa Cartel, specifically a individual by the name of Palone, who runs the Senoita as the plaza boss down there, and the long haul smugglers moving them in. But the problem you have here now in Arizona is that now they're moving that over towards Sassebee. They started seeing them two months ago there as well.

I was just in Sassebee day before yesterday. And I can tell you, you know, Arizona, if you live here in this great state, get ready because the fentanyl problem coming in is directly linked to that Sinaloa Cartel. And that's why you're feeling it the way you are here. And so much to cover that does originate in China, mostly, correct? It used to. The chemical precursors do now. What's happened, though, is the Sinaloans hired chemists right out of universities all over Mexico and they were white.

That's it. And they run their labs. And so the worst part of this, too, is now they've not only regular fentanyl, they've created parafentanil, serofenil and now mixing in xylazine. So when you hear the weaponization of fentanyl and wonder why so many Americans have died, you know, we lost one hundred and twelve thousand Americans to deadly drugs in one year.

We have never been here in this nation's history. So I have to tell you and I will say it again and again, that if this nation doesn't take on the cartels, if you think it's bad now, I know them very well. This is just the beginning. Yes. So help me understand. Let's say the comprehension of the cartel culture is limited to Netflix, Narcos.

Yeah. For most people, myself included, honestly, what those drug guys, those yeah, those gangs, they call correct. Why is there why is there such hesitancy to confront them? Are they embedded in American politics?

Are they is there kind of a deal between them? Are we afraid of them? Should we be afraid of them? We should definitely be afraid of them. And that's coming from somebody that built programs with the Texas Department of Public Safety and work closely with U.S. intelligence agencies to crush them.

I'm telling you that. And the reason I came public after retiring to designate the cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, I'm the guy that started that whole initiative. Good for you, because I know them very well. And here's the real story that America needs to know about is that they're not drug gangs. They're not drug cartels. Drugs is something they do today. What has happened is that we went through a major shift with them, that we went from organized crime into an insurgency in Mexico into terrorism. And now where we truly see them today as a parallel government. And I was working that screaming at the U.S. intelligence agencies the entire time, saying we've got problems down here along the border as the Zetas, known as one of the most hyper violent cartels in Mexico, really, Charlie, changed the game. That is now why they're so violent across the entire nation. So help me understand.

But what makes the cartels different than the Taliban or ISIS is I'm lacking to see an ideological component. Is there? There is. So there is.

What is that? Well, in the last national election, a lot of people are now where the CNN actually did one of the one of the best workups on this. One hundred and thirty two politicians and staffers were killed in the last national election. It is not to control drug routes. It's to control power and have that power. And then they put their people who they want in charge. And that's why the country of Mexico is so corrupt. Yes. That's the story of women. They have two women running for the presidency. Are they are they captured by the cartels?

Are they afraid? Help me understand in Mexico. Yes.

Yeah. You're not going to be the president of the country in Mexico unless you're sided with the cartels. We learned that under AMLO and look in his relationship with the similar ones. So the the cartels there are they at war still with each other? Do they play nice currently? Because, I mean, they're making out like bandits on this.

They are winning right now. Are they reaping the harvest and they'll fight later? And literally, those are the discussions at the boss level that they are having in Mexico.

Like, look, we're all making money. We have some in a great example that there's a lot of fighting going on in Mexico right now. But if you ever notice, it's the underlings fighting at the bottom. The thing to watch for the folks at home right now is when you see the bosses and the families start getting hit. That's when the real wars start. This stuff you're seeing right now down there along our border.

So in some ways, it's almost the the godfather crime families that are experiencing a detente where they're saying, why would we fight? Let's continue our most profitable enterprise, which is the movement of drugs and people. People right now along our southern border. But one of the things you've got to think about with these cartels is that they're global.

It's not a U.S.-Mexico problem anymore. Sinaloa cartel we know is in 54 nations. Are they all Spanish speaking nations?

No, no, not at all. As a matter of fact, a great example is the CJNG, the most violent cartel in Mexico, Cartel Jalisco New Generation. They're in 48 countries. And how did they get to power so quickly, so fast? They began moving their dope to Europe and Australia.

So, see, that's the here's the problem. This is the story that hasn't been told by the Homeland Security enterprise to the American people. How can we lose one hundred and twelve thousand Americans in a year?

Charlie, how did we get here? There's not a terrorist organization in the world that has killed this many Americans. And yet we have still not even declared them terrorist organizations. And all of that really has to do with commerce, trade. Why is Mexico? That's why trade, commerce with Mexico, our partnership so close. Like Honda made cars in Monterrey?

I've been working this a long time. That's the real issue. So NAFTA in some ways subsidized the way to cartel hegemony. I think what you just said is so true.

How can you have global trade and not think for a second you're not going to have a global climate problem that comes with that? And that's exactly so interesting to me. So the I'm infinitely curious about the cartel because I know so little about it. Right. Again, my understanding is Narcos Plus, Marty Bird and Walter White, like just kind of like how it's portrayed.

And there is some sophisticated elements in at least how those motion pictures present the cartels. But I'm you know, I don't know next anything more than that. So how do we defeat them?

Is it possible? It is. I can tell you that if we continue down the road of a law enforcement mission and not designate them and get new authorities to go after them, just look at the capabilities. You know, they're leveraging everything from 40 millimeter grenades, hand grenades, 50 caliber belt fed machine gun. That's exactly right.

First, second, third and fourth generation. I mean, we seized our first surface terror missile in Mexico from the Juarez cartel in 2016. I mean, this thing has spun rapidly rapidly out of control and they get their training from terrorist organizations around the world like the FARC. I mean, this has been going on for a decade. So the thing that I really had an issue with Charlie is why is the American people not been told by the Homeland Security enterprise?

So what public decide we're doing it ourselves and enough's enough. We're going to get it fixed. But we're told by Homeland Security that white supremacy is the greatest threat to the American homeland. Can't make it up.

You can't make it up. And yet we've got families in this country destroyed by fentanyl, destroyed entire cities. You see the federal law enforcement enterprise completely out of focus as to what's really impacting the American people.

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Sinaloa was a great example of that. You know, they've been around down there a long time. And look, you know, there's some hospitals that they've built down there to help the local populace. And look at Christmas is a great example.

They'll go around handing out gifts and then they film everything they're doing. They put it as part of their propaganda. So the Robin Hood kind of effect is real and they really try to propagandize that to gain favor. And so they currently look at America as a cash cow. Can you explain how a human being is monetized by the cartel via the border?

What is that process? You're absolutely right. You know, this is something that Americans have not wrapped their mind around, that they can truly treat a person as a commodity. You know, I remember I was talking to a lieutenant within Cartel de Goffo, known as CDG, one of the oldest cartels down in South Texas. And I said, well, how do you know how much to charge for a young girl?

And he said, well, what does she look like to determine how much money he can make? You know, I broke the story in February of twenty one when CDG began putting wristbands on men, women and children. This is the real story about what the cartels have become, because in the old days, it was about smuggling people into the country. They didn't care where you came from, Charlie. Today, it's about debt bondage, because that person is the gift that keeps giving. So when they cross, you know, in the old days of a hundred bucks today, if you're a Mexican citizen in South Texas, it's twenty five hundred dollars just across the river.

Never mind how far they moved you. Central American three thousand. If you're from China, five thousand Russian or Middle Eastern nine grand. Well, most of them don't have that money. So now they're indebted. Yet they're here in our country. You're saying that slavery still exists?

I'm not just saying it. I'm saying that America's new slave trade is here and it is real. And they're not all sex slaves. The women sometimes are, but they're they're remittance slaves.

That's right. By the Wal-Mart currency counter. You're going to be sending twenty five percent either back home or to the cartels. And it's almost operates as an annuity to the cartels.

And how do you how does it ever stop? Because from their standpoint, you're just going to pay until they decide you're not. That's the story that's not getting out. So what the buried lead here is, but the cartels probably have a better idea of where these people are than our own government because they want their money.

So all of a sudden, if Juan Hernandez stops paying, how do they find him? They had the drug trade down in this country. What they didn't have was this human smuggling into the trafficking trade. And when the Biden administration opened up this border, they sent their operatives across into the country, the interior.

That's right. They sent their operatives into the interior and they rode buses that we shipped people all over the nation. And those people's jobs every two weeks to a month, depending upon the alien smuggling organization they work with. That's how they get the money back. And here's the worst part. Every federal law enforcement agency knows it.

Many of these people don't have critical skills. Right. So what are they going to do? Well, they're going to get into the drug trade. They're going to get into the sex trade.

And this is how, and this is why I've warned about public safety and the threats to this country based on what the Biden administration has done. Yeah. I mean, you have to repay a debt.

You're going to go steal a catalytic converter or you're going to go break into a home. That's exactly right. Because you would rather go break into a home and steal a necklace than have the cartel cut your head off.

That's right. Or they'll go after your family in Honduras. There's the other part of it.

So when you cross at the border, before they give you a wristband, where are you from? And they pick up your cell phone and they call your mom and dad. So now they've got you on the other end as well. They've got you on both. And the worst part of this is the Homeland security enterprise knows this, Charlie.

Why are they not telling the American people? You answer that question. I mean, we all know, but it's horrible.

It's horrible. It's what's taking place. The volume of people is millions. So it's 10,000 a day. They're monetizing it anywhere between 2,500 bucks to $10,000 a head on average. So we're talking about a 30 to 50 million dollar cashflow a day, just on people, just on people, not to mention the drugs. So 30 to $50 million a day.

I mean, this is like a fortune 100 company at this point. And this is why you just saw what you saw in Ecuador, the strength and scope of them and what these cartels are becoming from Mexico, Central America and South America. The American public should be briefed. There's a reason that we have been working as hard as we have to get these cartels designated because look, they've taken over Mexico, Mexico.

They truly are a parallel government. And Americans watch that happen. Do you remember when they arrested Davido Guzman? And what was AMLO, the president of Mexico, forced to do to release him?

Yeah, of course. Now, later we ended up catching him, but it was an example of truly the level and scope of how powerful they become. So this is the new slave trade in the Western hemisphere. And we're told that it's a beautiful thing happening.

How many girls are raped, would you say, in slave trades? The real truth is we have no idea. But it's significant. It's significant enough where Americans would not put up with it if they found out. If Americans knew what was really taking place and has been in Mexico, they would be stunned. But this is a real problem. They're going to find out now.

It's too late. You see, you're going to hear a lot from these experts about national security, national security. OK, that's a great term to say. But we've opened the borders to the world.

Now it is all about public safety and trying to stay left of boom and protect the American people. Jason, thank you. This was excellent. We'll have you on again. It's great to be with you. It's a very deep topic, and you came you approached it really well. Thank you.

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We've speculated that it was Pelosi or Muriel Bowser, but you have a theory and a source for that theory. Please walk us through it. It's one of those mysteries, right, Charlie? Like what happened?

Because because nothing made sense and people looked at it and there are things we expected. We saw how the D.C. Guard responded to the George Floyd riots, responded to protect the White House. We've seen the National Guard respond to riots and civil disturbances and emergencies across the country. And so why did the Guard not show up until it was dark? And frankly, when I spoke to Colonel Earl Matthews, he told me when he arrived with General Walker, the commander of the D.C. Guard, the New Jersey State Troopers had arrived at the Capitol before the D.C. Guard. And the D.C. Guard armory is two miles from the Capitol by design because you want that response. The D.C. Guard does not have a governor because it's a direct report to the Pentagon.

And so my source, Colonel Matthews, told me that it was General Mark Milley, as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who stepped outside of his legal authority using the force of his personality and his relationship with the other general officers, who over the years he had promoted and nurtured and sort of built this cadre around him so that even though he had no legal authority and no role in the chain of command, these generals were listening to him. And he's the one who told the D.C. Guard to back off. And in fact, at one point they were ordered not to cross North Street, which, as you know, here in D.C., that's where the FBI building is. So how far away was the National Guard on January 6th?

Are you saying that they were just a couple of blocks away? Well, they were they were given orders not to cross 9th. But in fact, what Matthews told me is that anticipating that there would be trouble at the Capitol, the riot gear and instructions were given to the D.C. Guardsmen who were tasked with responding. So they had all their gear and everything at their homes so that when the call went out, they would report directly to the Capitol. So there was testimony in the official Army narrative that they were concerned that people would have to go to the armory and then come back to the Capitol and there would be some kind of delay.

That never happened. As soon as the call went out, the D.C. Guard would have been ready to go. But there was a tremendous gap because, say, between one and two o'clock, the commanding general was calling the Pentagon for permission. That permission didn't come until past five.

Yeah, this is is really important. I mean, the and New Jersey troopers made it to the Capitol before the Guardsmen. Is that right?

Yeah, that's correct. You know, and another thing, Charlie, is that, you know, in that insurrection, I don't want to I don't want to really call it a trial, but whatever that proceeding was in Colorado, the that there was testimony saying that Trump was, in effect, an insurrectionist. But that testimony relied on the DOD inspector general's report and it relied on the official Army narrative, which Colonel Matthew says is flawed. So it's one thing to have a disagreement about what happened that day, January 6th. But now that false narrative is being extrapolated and metastasizing into having constitutional effects where someone can be actually taken off the ballot based on a false narrative.

Yeah, I mean, this is incredibly important. So what do we have to do to get to the bottom and the truth of this? Or is it unfortunately do you think that they have sufficiently covered this up? Well, it's it's like somebody once told me, they said, yeah, I hope we find out what happened to JFK before the last person who knows what happened died. You know, it's like I said that too many people are still alive and that's why we don't know what happened to JFK. I think what we have to do is let's propose that we have a Republican majority in the House and they could have a committee, maybe they could call it a J6 committee, and they could investigate what happened and they could haul people in and they could demand those documents that are sealed up at the at the National Archives. And they could actually find out once and for all what happened, because the left is dominating this discussion of J6 because they are literally keeping the rest of us in the dark, Charlie. Yeah, it's so it's so important. And there's aspects of this that I think will continue to come out. And so your reporting at redstate.com has been focused on this particular aspect.

Are there other ones where you think that we have not received sufficient clarity regarding January 6th that we need to keep the pressure on, get certain answers from, or do you think we're close from getting the truth? For example, the pipe bombs, the pipe bomb. Do we even know if the pipe bomb was real? Now, the pipe bomb, having the pipe bomb there and having the vice president, the the vice president elected there, that's all wrapped up in this predicate that the Capitol became a restricted area and that there was and that the pipe bomb is shown as evidence that there was a terrorist threat. And this is being used to take send all the grannies to jail.

And people who are, you know, people who if they were convicted, they'd spend three months in jail, but they're spending two years in pretrial confinement. It's, we have no idea what's going on. And it's so insane that three years later, that this thing would be such a huge mystery, especially when the Republicans control the House of Representatives. And you would think that the Republican leadership, or at least the staffers and the consultants and the people who are running that party, would know that it's being used against Republicans politically all over the country.

And candidates and campaigns need to be able to respond. And and we're completely in the dark. Why has there been such slow drip from Speaker Johnson on the January 6th tapes?

What is the latest on that? I don't have a read on what's going on inside Johnson. My only, just speculating as someone who's covered Capitol Hill, I think that he's inherited a lot of McCarthy's staff and McCarthy's fundraisers. And he basically allowed himself to be plugged into that infrastructure. And he has the idea that if I can ride out this cycle, then I can, maybe I can reboot things later. But this is the same old trick leadership plays, you know, and that's why he concedes on the budget. You know, it's you talk to leadership staffers and they tell you, no, no, Neil, we just want to get this off the table and move on.

And it's like they just conceding things because they don't want to fight. And this is what we're seeing with the budget. And Johnson Johnson is worried about his majority. Remember, Charlie, Nancy Pelosi had a five seat majority last session. And look at all the stuff she was able to do without a problem.

Why do you think that is? What should we be more like Pelosi? Well, please. I mean, it's like, listen, I can disagree with Pelosi and still respect her as a phenomenal political operative. You know, she she ran that majority in such a way that you would, frankly, if you're familiar with how Cicero whipped votes in the Roman Senate, she did it the same way Cicero did. And he cut deals and he he got to, you know, as Pelosi gets to 218, she gets to 220, she gets to 230. Once she's at 230, she then cuts loose all the votes she doesn't need.

And she says, hey, I'm giving you a free pass on this one, but I'm going to need you next time. It's very simple. It's how it's done. No, we haven't had a Republican whip who's been able to figure that out since I don't know when, maybe since the 1920s. So the diving deeper into that, I love I love that point you made, which I have not heard anyone make, which is Democrats had a five seat majority recently. And we started with what, three or four seats, right?

Three or four. I don't know, because we decided to shrink our majority because we're a bunch of morons. Right. And so and we get excuses.

Oh, we can't do anything. Pelosi got stuff done. She rules with an iron fist. We kicked out Santos and all this nonsense.

It was actually it was it was it was insane. So the is there something in the philosophy of conservatives that we struggle with the administration of power? Or is it that Pelosi is willing to play Machiavellian hardball and blackmail her members and threaten them? Is is that something is that the reason we can't govern? I would suggest, Charlie, that conservatives don't have a problem governing, but there's been no tests because conservatives are not governing. It's like Republicans and conservatives are not the same thing. Right. Conservatives have found a home in the Republican Party, but we're treated like the guests who stayed too long.

And so we're not actually the ones making it. Republicans, they love Washington. They want Washington to be in control. They want to get along with everybody. They want their kids to go to Georgetown Prep. They want their kids to go to Sidwell Friends. And, you know, they want their wife to get some lobbying job for the airlines and everything. They think they think Washington's great. And then conservatives show up and just spoil the party.

And so, you know, if Johnson was a let's find out if Johnson was going to run the speakership as a conservative, I'd love to see it. And I don't think it's ever been put to the test. That is such a smart point. The philosophy that some Republicans have is they might be passively center right, but it is about lifestyle.

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Has it been largely a distraction? Where do you stand on where things are proceeding in regards to this primary election? I think it's very interesting that there's so much weight thrown into Iowa and so few Iowa winners actually go on to be president, let alone be the nominee.

And I'm sure you've experienced this yourself, Charlie. The minute the votes are counted in Iowa, that circus can't leave Iowa fast enough to go to New Hampshire and nobody thinks about Iowa again. I think that it's going to be very interesting to see how big a victory Trump runs up. Certainly DeSantis put all his eggs in the Iowa basket. He moved his family. He moved what's left of his left of his staff there. And of course, Jeff Roe, who was running the Never Back Down PAC, grew up very close to Iowa. He always presented himself as an Iowa expert. And so does DeSantis end his presidential run in Iowa?

I think that's a very important question. It'll be interesting, in New Hampshire, how many Democrats are going to vote for Nikki Haley. And it's interesting, I didn't think about it until just as I'm talking to you, but when Biden and the Democrats moved their Democratic primary in New Hampshire to further on down the line, they basically meant that there's no Democratic contest at the same day as the Republican contest. So you have all these Democrats who have nothing to do. So, you know, they're going to be taking Democratic ballots. And how many of those Democrats taking Republican ballots are going to vote for Nikki Haley?

So what you're saying, this is important, what you're saying is that the Democrats are the party of the oligarchy, not democracy or whatever. So they basically have this New Hampshire, is Trump getting set up in New Hampshire? I don't know. I hadn't even thought of it.

I wish it's. But just as I'm talking to you, Charlie, you're making me think about these dynamics and the fact that there's no Democratic contest at the same time as the Republican contest. You basically have all these free radical Democrats running around. And also remember, you know, a very strong part to why Democrats have had success in New Hampshire is that they bus in college students from Massachusetts.

So I'll be interested to see, and they do the same day registration there. So it'll be interesting to see, you know, how successful the Democrats are, what kind of effort they put in to busing in college students from Massachusetts to put Nikki Haley in a competitive spot with Trump. But certainly in South Carolina, which is the conservative firewall, Nikki Haley is going to lose her home state regardless of what happens in New Hampshire. And the establishment and certainly the Democrats, the media, they have been begging for a primary and it's been awfully sleepy. Iowa, do you think that there is any fear that Trump has been overplaying the polls and a win by 10 might be spun as a loss?

No, I think a win is a win. But frankly, it's not not a lot of thought goes into Iowa. It's a, you've covered Iowa, Charlie, it's, you know, it's a lot of dark driving for hundreds of miles. It's, you know, the media hates it. The media loves New Hampshire because it's a quick drive from Boston, New York or DC. You just fly into Logan, you drive 45 minutes, you're in Manchester. I would say that the first real, where the media is invested is New Hampshire, and Trump is going to win New Hampshire. It may be close, especially with Christie pulling out.

And certainly, certainly his taking the dive can't be ignored by the Trump team. How can people find your content, Neil, and your writings? Yeah, please look for me at redstate.com and they can find me on getter X and truth at reporter McCabe. Thank you very much, Charlie. Really appreciate being on with you. Thanks, Neil. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always. Freedom at Charlie Kirk.com. Thank you so much for listening. God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.