The Fight to Free Julian Assange

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We have to have him on more and more. China is going to war. That is the name of his book by Gordon Chang.

Gordon, welcome to the program. A really unreported story is following Xi Jinping, the dictator's visit to America when we clean up the streets of San Francisco. China is waging a seemingly relentless cyber war on the West, invading critical U.S. services.

What's going on here? Yeah, China for decades has maintained this hacking campaign. And in the beginning, it was really for espionage and data theft.

But recently there has been a change in focus. Really, what they're going after now is critical infrastructure. So, for instance, China has gotten into oil and gas pipelines, gotten into major ports, water systems. China's hacker friends Russia and Iran have also had their way with our networks. Some people think that China actually caused the 2003 Northeast blackout and one in Florida in 2008. There's disagreement about that. But the point is that our infrastructure is wide open. And here's a story that basically American presidents have not protected our critical infrastructure. So a lot of this is on us. Yeah, it's just I mean, there's a lot of psychology that goes into this. The only explanation I could have is why do we put up with this?

Is it self-hatred? Is it compromised? Is that our elites are captured by the Chinese Communist Party? Because no serious country would allow themselves to be hacked and to be attacked and to be constantly subverted. How do you explain this as an expert on the Chinese Communist Party? I mean, why do we allow ourselves to get subverted without any form of retribution? Yeah, I can't answer that.

Here's an example which I think perfectly illustrates what you're talking about. I think it was 2018 President Trump issued an executive order barring the importation into the United States of electrical grid equipment from China. And he was worried about the hacking threat. So what did President Biden do on his very first day in office? Even before he went to the inaugural balls, he went to the Oval Office, and he signed an executive order that repealed President Trump's ban. Now, I don't know what's going on there.

I can only come up with sort of sinister explanations for it. But the point is that Biden has left our grid open to Chinese hacking. And there was no protections put in place when Biden did this. Yeah, I suppose the retribution that needs to happen, what would it look like? How can we possibly respond? First of all, what we need to do is impose costs on China, Iran, Russia when they hack our infrastructure. And those costs can be hacking back. But I don't want to really disclose our capabilities because we need those at a time of war. But we can impose economic costs on China, which are heavy, and which means that we've got to make sure that the costs that we impose are greater than the benefits that China receives.

So for instance, China hacked the Office of Personnel Management and obtained records of millions, I think it was millions, at least hundreds of thousands of federal employees. And really, you can't actually translate that into an economic cost. But what we need to say to China is we're putting tariffs, 1,000% tariffs on the goods that you want to send to the United States, which basically is going to be very hard for you to sell elsewhere. We do something like that. Maybe we can give Beijing second thoughts.

But right now, we're not doing that. So I want to get deeper into this. Talk about your book here, China is Going to War. Do you think they're already at war right now?

Yes. And the reason is China has a different conception of war. When we think of war, we think of militaries clashing. But China has this doctrine of unrestricted warfare. That comes from the title of a 1999 book by then two Chinese air force colonels, who basically say, anything can be done to the United States to destroy it.

That is all fair game. And so for instance, they talk about tactics that we think are out of bounds, but they are doing it. Fentanyl, for instance, that is an unrestricted warfare tactic. And China knows what's going on.

The Communist Party approves of this. They support the fentanyl gangs. And last year, according to preliminary CDC numbers, 70,000 Americans died from doses of illegal fentanyl. And almost all that illegal fentanyl came from China. So that's really an intention to kill Americans as part of this unrestricted warfare campaign.

Yeah. So what I don't think most Americans are willing to acknowledge is that we are up against an enemy of the Chinese Communist Party that has ambitions and goals. What are the stated goals of the Chinese Communist Party for world domination? You know, there's a fair amount of rumor. What have they said?

No theory. What have they actually told us their goals are? Xi Jinping for this century has been recycling what are Tianxia. Tianxia is all under heaven. Tianxia is all under heaven. He's been cycling those themes from the Chinese imperial era, where Chinese emperors believed that they not only had the mandate of heaven to rule Tianxia, but that heaven actually compelled them to do so. So we've seen this language. His subordinates have been explicit about what China's goals are.

So for instance, Wang Yi, his foreign minister, wrote a landmark article in September 2017 that expound upon Tianxia. And Chinese officials in 2017 said that the Moon and Mars should be considered sovereign Chinese territory. So they've been clear about that.

And this is in public. Yes, there's a lot of propaganda which says, oh, we need everybody to get along and everyone should be treated equal. But when you look at their writings and you look at the themes that they use in their public speeches, it's clear that they have gone back to this notion of all under heaven. And by the way, Charlie, this is not domination. This is not hegemony.

This is outright rule. One world, one ruler. One world, one ruler. I mean, the implication then is ethnic cleansing, isn't it? I mean, because they do believe that not anybody can become Chinese, right?

I mean, what role does race play in this? The Communist Party officially has this doctrine of Han nationalism. Han is one of the 56 ethnic groups, comprises about 92% of the Chinese population, which justifies, for instance, what they're doing to the Uyghurs and the Kazakhs and the other Turkic minorities.

So they're very clear about that. There is a reported secret speech of the then Chinese defense minister, Chih Hao-tung, from the first couple of years of this century, which talks about the use of disease to exterminate Americans, because China needed the land for themselves. And General Chih, who was defense minister, said, well, maybe we'll leave some Americans to be as slaves. And people question whether this speech actually occurred.

I think it actually did. But one thing we know, Charlie, and that is in China's tightly controlled media, the topic of extermination of Americans is permitted. So that shows you that is an indication that General Chih actually gave that speech. Do you think your average, if you were just to kind of do a blind lottery and your average politician in D.C. grasps the goals, the aims, the ambitions and the nastiness of the Chinese Communist Party? No.

There you go. What percentage do you think actually does? One percent, maybe two percent. You know, I think Chairman Mike Gallagher of the CCP committee in the House, he probably gets it.

There are a few who do, but very, very few do. And the problem is across the political spectrum. You have conservative Republicans and Marxist Democrats actually propagate Chinese Communist Party propaganda. They don't intentionally do it, but they support the party's goals when you look at their positions. So yeah, it's a disease across the political spectrum, across the parties.

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And it's very strange. I mean, I would imagine in a totalitarian, centrally planned country that's trying to take over the world, that you just don't magically have tens of thousands of young kind of fertile men that go across the southern border of the country you're trying to destabilize. Are they being sent by the Chinese Communist Party?

I think they are. When we go back a year or so ago, there was a surge of Chinese migrants and we saw families coming across. And those, I think, were people who were desperate, who basically gave up on China.

Recently, we're just seeing young men, military age, coming in packs of five to 15, no family members with them, pretending not to speak English. And U.S. Border Patrol actually knows some of them have links to the Chinese military. So this is really, really suspicious. And Charlie, remember that lab in Reedley, California that authorities found, that secret Chinese biological weapons facility? Well, it had at least 20 pathogens, including things like Ebola, and had almost a thousand mice that had been genetically engineered to spread disease. So we've got to be extremely concerned that some of those males coming across were meant to go to facilities like the one in Reedley.

And I can't believe Reedley is the only one. And take some of those mice and spread them around the United States. So yes, all the indications are some of those are saboteurs. Yeah. And so I just, from a Chinese perspective, Gordon, can you tell me what they think about us? I mean, they must think we're some sort of a joke at this point, that how easy this is to weaken us.

Am I, am I correct? I think you are correct on that. And that's really the concern. Deterrence is breaking down. And we know this from instance, what's going on in the South China Sea, where the Chinese are just ignoring written and oral warnings that the United States is willing to use force against belligerent Chinese activities.

So we know deterrence is breaking down. I think that they look at the Biden administration and believe they can do what they want. After Biden was elected, but before he took office on November 28, 2020, there was a live stream lecture by a guy named Di Dongshan, a prominent academic in China. And he was talking about the relations that Beijing was expecting with the new Biden team in the White House. And they were saying that basically they were going to do what they wanted after Biden took office.

And by the way, the biggest laugh that he got was when he mentioned two words in English, Hunter Biden. So that shows you the mentality of the Chinese leaders right now. So what can be done if, let's say, Trump becomes president to fight back against this soft, slow motion war? Is it tariffs? Is it aircraft carrying the South China Sea?

Where are the greatest vectors of weakness, attack vectors against the Chinese Communist Party? That's the Chinese economy, which means that what we need to do is cut trade, cut investment, tariffs, as you mentioned. Those tariffs were meant to be remedies for the theft of intellectual property. China's continuing to steal it. Those tariffs need to go up. There's a lot of things that we can do, but I'd hit their economy first. And the problem, though, Gordon, every time we try to hit their economy, there is a small subset of people that are invested in capital flows in the West and tech companies that don't like that.

They don't. But, you know, on the other hand, Xi Jinping has been pushing American companies out of China. So he's been doing our job for us. But we need to accelerate that process. And that's what President Trump did when he was in office. And Biden has been dog whistling the opposite.

So that's wrong on the part of the current president. Gordon, thank you so much. China's going to war. We'll have you on again soon. Thanks so much. Thank you, Charlie.

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Yeah, the Intercept. Julian Assange could face extradition to the United States by early 2024. So what's really going on here? Well, joining us is Gabriel Shipton from Australia, producer of a movie Ithaca and also the brother of Julian Assange.

Gabriel, thank you so much for taking time to join us. Please just educate our audience on the situation regarding your brother and also for our younger listeners that haven't lived through this 11-year story. Walk through the facts here and what your brother is accused of. Well, Julian, back in 2010, published, well, you know, if you go back to 2006 when he started, what was a website called Wicker? For people who don't know about it, it was a website for leaks that collaborated with publishers and published leaked material. They published all sorts of things, you know, leaked material from Syria, from Russia, from China and from the US.

But they really came to the forefront in 2010 when they started publishing information about the Iraq War, about Guantanamo Bay, the detainees of Guantanamo Bay. All this information was related to leaks from Chelsea Manning, who was a military analyst. And it was after publishing that information that Julian started to be pursued. And that information really, I think, you know, changed the game in terms of, you know, what was happening in the Iraq War. It sort of exposed what was going on on the ground, a war that everybody was told that was going extremely well and a very successful war, but the reality was the complete opposite.

So that information led to essentially to the end of the Iraq War or end of troops being present in Iraq. And it was since that time that Julian began to be pursued. You know, first, he took refuge in the Ecuadorian Embassy in London, where he spent seven years inside that embassy. And in 2019, he was from that embassy arrested and has spent the last four, four and a half years in a maximum security prison outside of London, fighting extradition to the United States, where he's charged under the Espionage Act. And now this Espionage Act prosecution is the first of its kind. The first Espionage Act has been used against a publisher, against a website for publishing leaked information.

Usually it's used against leakers. So, you know, Chelsea Manning, who leaked the information that Julian is charged with publishing, she was sentenced to 35 years under the Espionage Act and had her sentence commuted by Barack Obama in 2017. So she's been free since 2017, while Julian has still been languishing in prison. But since those publishing that information in 2010, WikiLeaks also published lots of information during the 2016 election. They published troves of the DNC emails, the Podesta emails, Hillary Clinton's private emails as well, that really showed the corruption inside the Democratic National Committee and how the Hillary Clinton campaign was conspiring against Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic nomination.

And so that draw, that drew the ire of Democrats when WikiLeaks published that information in 2016, because a lot of them don't like to, you know, they don't accept that Hillary Clinton failed in that election and they like to blame other people and Julian is one of the scapegoats for that election loss for the Democrats. In 2017, WikiLeaks went on to publish a Vault 7 leaks. Now those leaks were the CIA hacking tools and how the CIA had developed these hacking tools to hack into phones, to hack into televisions and turn those phones, televisions into spying devices. You know, what Snowden exposed in 2014 with the NSA and how they were spying on millions of Americans, Julian and WikiLeaks exposed similar efforts from within the CIA, that the CIA was actually doing very, very, very similar things and spying on Americans, spying on world leaders as the NSA, you know, had been exposed for doing back with the Snowden leaks. And it was really around that time, that 2017 time when Mike Pompeo was the head of the CIA director and he really made it his personal vendetta really against Julian for publishing that information, for embarrassing Mike Pompeo while he was the head of CIA. And so in his first speech he declared WikiLeaks a non-state hostile intelligence service and said that they were going to use the full power of the tools available to them to pursue WikiLeaks. And that's when this current indictment started to be worked on and really when things ramped up in the pursuit of Julian Assange. And it was during that time that Julian was in the embassy between 2017 and 2019 when he was taken, that it was revealed in these leaked documents and leaked information that the CIA had been clandestinely spying on Julian while he was in the embassy, taking video recordings of his meetings with his lawyers and doctors, and that there were even plans from within the CIA to actually assassinate Julian while he was in the embassy. And that was revealed in a huge Yahoo News investigation that was published in 2021, the end of 2021, that quoted all these sources from the intelligence community, current and former sources who confirmed that Mike Pompeo had been planning to to murder Julian Assange.

So that was very helpful Gabriel, thank you. And so the the ferocity that the intel agencies have thrown after Julian Assange is remarkable. How is what he did any different than just what an average mainstream reporter has done?

Isn't this the work of journalism? And is there any instances, a single instance, that somebody's life was put in jeopardy or that, let's just say, extreme national security was put at risk because of his journalism? Well, there's been many investigations about lives being put at risk or lives in jeopardy or anyone coming to harm from this leaked information. And well, if you go back to Chelsea Manning's trial, the Obama administration hired an ex-general to actually look into this and try and find somebody who'd been harmed by these leaks. And they spent $10 million investigating and searching for anyone who could come to any harm in relation to Chelsea Manning's leaks, and they couldn't find anyone. And so that was revealed in those court proceedings. And also, Julian's prosecutors in London, the prosecutors who are working for the DOJ, have also admitted that they could not, they cannot find anybody who's come to harm in relation to these leaks.

It's actually the opposite. These leaks have led to increased transparency about what the military industrial complex in these wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, and really putting service people and service members in harm's way for their own benefit. And so that has been revealed in these leaks.

And as a result, has meant that less soldiers and less service people have been sent to these dangerous war zones. So I would argue that Julian's work and Chelsea Manning's leaks have actually saved lives rather than put them in harm's way. And you say, is what Julian did normal journalism, or just what journalists do every day? I think, Charlie, it's what we expect, we as citizens, or what Americans expect journalists to do, is tell the truth, reveal government corruption, and shine a light on these dark places. I think that is exactly what Julian did. It is proper journalism.

What you and I understand as journalism is journalism, what the average person on the street understands as journalism. And what Julian did by doing that was embarrass these legacy media institutions like the New York Times, like the Washington Post, who were complicit in selling the Iraq war, this great lie that they pushed forward the weapons of mass destruction, lie that they pushed forward in selling the Iraq war to the American public. Julian exposed them as well for what they were doing and what they were up to, which was essentially lying to us all and convincing us that these wrong policies were the right way to go. So I think, you know, what Julian did is the essence of journalism and what these other legacy media corporations and things are up to is anything. Yeah, I mean, the more I learn about it, the more sympathetic I am to Julian's cause, and to see how they've tried to torture him in this insane process over 11 years is so unacceptable to Western traditions of due process and the rule of law and equal application of justice. I mean, it feels like they're torturing him the way that they are because of who he exposed, not because of what he did. Do you agree with that?

Yeah, I certainly do. I think there is this very vindictive elements, you know, who have been pursuing Julian for many, many years and who would actually like to see him dead, in fact. And I think that example that has been set now is that if you do this, if you publish this information about us, about what we get up to behind closed doors, that this will happen to you as well. And that's a very clear message that is heard around the world. You know, if you do this, look exactly what's happening to Julian Assange, it could happen to you too.

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Play cut 36. WikiLeaks never sits on material. Our whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks. As a 27-year-old who works for the DNC, who was shot in the back, murdered just two weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington. That was just a robbery, I believe, wasn't it?

No, there's no finding. What are you suggesting? I'm suggesting that our sources take risks and they become concerned to see things occurring like that.

So Gabriel, your reaction to that? Well, you know, I think it's a very, you know, that I think that story and that whole leak, that period in 2016, those lakes around the DNC, around Hillary Clinton and her campaign, those leaks really upset a lot of people and really put some very powerful people, powerful forces under the microscope and exposed exactly what they got up to, you know, in terms of, you know, essentially taking over the Democratic National Committee, using it for their own personal gain, rigging the system, rigging the nomination system with inside the committee. And there was actually, you know, we hear these days, oh, it's happening, you know, we sort of understand that, you know, Biden's not allowing debates or they're not having debates with Democratic candidates. It was actual physical proof, physical emails from inside the Democratic National Committee that just laid it all out. You know, this is what we're doing.

This is how we're going to do it. You know, we're going to, you know, attack Bernie Sanders with these, you know, these tropes, you know, the Bernie boys and all these sorts of things and push President Trump forward, push Trump forward as a Piper candidate. You know, the DNC actually thought that Hillary would perform better against Donald Trump. And so they started promoting Donald Trump and look exactly where they got them. And I think exposing those forces for what they are is very dangerous and is exactly why, you know, Julian Assange is in prison. It's exactly why people like Chelsea Manning served seven years in prison. I don't want to comment on any sources, you know, as Julian was saying, you know, sources take great risks. They put themselves in harm's way.

They are very courageous and, you know, the people they expose come after them. And I think, you know, we've seen that time and time again, but I can't really comment on, you know, the sources of those DNC leaks. Other than that, there is proof, physical proof that they were exfiltrated and not hacked. They were not, it was not a Russian hack. That totally is total bogus, you know, a bogus story.

And there is physical evidence, you know, proven by Bill Binney that these these emails were downloaded by a source and not from a hack. Talk about what is this doing to your family? Well, this is really, I mean, it's pulled our family apart. Charlie, as you know, like my brother lives in the United Kingdom now in a prison. That's his home. He's, you know, we're not able to see him.

We're in Australia. He has two small children who go and visit him in the prison. You know, that that is our normal life now is Julian being incarcerated or locked up, you know, one way or another. We're all focused on fighting for Julian, supporting him, keeping him alive while he's in prison, as well as advocating for him around the world. So yeah, we're fully focused on that.

And that's how that's our full time focus now. How can people help the cause of Julian Assange? What are the action items for our largely American Western audience? Well, so they can pop on to asangedefense.org. That's asangedefense.org. Subscribe to the newsletter there.

That will keep you updated with all the actions that are going on around the United States. There are Assange groups in, you know, all major cities, even some smaller cities all around the United States that you can join and get involved in. I've traveled to many of these places.

I did 60 or so events all around the United States earlier in this year and met some really great people all you know, from Nebraska, down to Oklahoma, Missouri, every everywhere across the US. There are there are locations where there are groups of Assange supporters. So yeah, join a group, get signed up to the mailing list asangedefense.org. Those are a couple of things that that you can get started with. Very good.

Well, Gabriel, thank you so much for your time. Any other action items or ways that people can help? Contact your representative. I'm always encouraging people to, you know, get involved in the democratic process. It's not enough just to vote once every four years. You know, you can lobby your representative as well. Your congressperson especially, you know, ring them up, go to see them at their office, bring up this case, bring up Julian's case, you know, it's not only Julian Assange that this is about, this is actually a threat to the First Amendment. This is creating this walled garden around the First Amendment around your right to know what your government does in your name.

And I think taking those concerns to your elected representative is essential as well. Very good. Gabriel, thank you so much for your time. Thank you. Thank you, Charlie. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

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